Analog RYTM Midi in --Trick (parameter slide)

Elektron Gear Analog Rytm
#1

I#ve just found out that if you use parameter slide trigs with incoming midi, you’ll immediately get 64 shortcuts on trigbuttons with some kind of endless parameter locks …machine on/off states…locking everything.

you are now able to change the sound immediately by pressing and holding a trig.

midi has to run into the machine to make this happen…otherwise you would just depress the trig button. (kind of)

function+slide
press trigs (1 for 1 scene or ,4,8 etc. )
go back and press the trig buttons again to activate
start tweaking by holding the trigbutton
let go—scene created.

dush!

or better said:
from
@glitched

Oh, oh oh oh oh. Ok, I get it now!

This is like having up to 64 scenes (sets of parameter-locked sounds) per track!

To clarify once again (sorry if this is repetitive):

  1. Select BD1. Place one trig on the track.
  2. P-lock some stuff on that one trig. To audition this sound, play it from an external MIDI source or hit play on the AR.
  3. Once you’re happy with the sound, make another trig on the next step.
  4. P-lock some more stuff. When you press and hold the trig, you’re actually enabling this “scene” for this sound!
  5. Continue as needed; apply the technique to other sounds, simultaneously.
  6. Sequence your track externally and change sounds on the fly by pressing and holding the desired “sound-scene” trig!

Although I think the AR has an awesome sequencer and amazing performance tools built-in, this is cool for those who use external MIDI.

and from @jaysomething

Edit: Just realized that whether or not the trigs have parameter slide on or not seems irrelevant. I think the same effect can be achieved just by holding down p-locked trigs while triggering the track externally.

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Just tried it, it’s totally mad! Thanks so much for this!

Now, if you don’t mind me clarifying a little bit for those who don’t seem to follow, here’s how I recreated it:

Use an external midi source to trigger the the tracks on AR (I used OT’s midi track to trigger BD1 on the AR, for example)
Hold down the first trig, p-lock away. You might wanna start triggering the track from the external midi source at this point to monitor what you’re tweaking
Let go of the first trig, do the same thing with the 2nd trig
Now as BD1 is being triggered externally, press and hold either of the 2 trigs that you’ve just p-locked.
You should be able to get how this works at this point. Also it might be a good idea to go into Mute mode and mute the track on the AR, since the trigs are only there for p-locking, not for trigging.

Hope this helps. It’s pure genius. Thanks again!

IT#S EASY.

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#2

Have to try this…cool! :sunglasses:

#3

could you upload a video, please? sounds interesting!

#4

Can you explain this a bit more? I am having trouble grasping the implications… but sounds very interesting!

#5

Also interested, couldn’t quite follow the OP explanation

#6

Edit: Just realized that whether or not the trigs have parameter slide on or not seems irrelevant. I think the same effect can be achieved just by holding down p-locked trigs while triggering the track externally.

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Just tried it, it’s totally mad! Thanks so much for this!

Now, if you don’t mind me clarifying a little bit for those who don’t seem to follow, here’s how I recreated it:

  1. Use an external midi source to trigger the the tracks on AR (I used OT’s midi track to trigger BD1 on the AR, for example)
  2. Hold down the first trig, p-lock away. You might wanna start triggering the track from the external midi source at this point to monitor what you’re tweaking
  3. Let go of the first trig, do the same thing with the 2nd trig
  4. Now as BD1 is being triggered externally, press and hold either of the 2 trigs that you’ve just p-locked.

You should be able to get how this works at this point. Also it might be a good idea to go into Mute mode and mute the track on the AR, since the trigs are only there for p-locking, not for trigging.

Hope this helps. It’s pure genius. Thanks again!

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#7

Nice! Does this work for other elektron machines? I’ll have to try it on my monomachine…

#8

ahh so you mean that upon placing plocks to a trig and holding it down while remotely triggering that voice via MIDI, the voice will inherit the properties of the trig currently held down on the rytm?

And by combining slide trigs to this equation, you can actually make it to slide the params to this new value?

Sounds very, very cool! Also, a strong chance that this could also work with the A4/AK and even DT (if DT has slides that is)

If I’ve understood this correctly, this is by design, to aid in plock programming (auditioning a specific trig) … Only the devs prolly never thought it could also be abused like this! :diddly:

Also check if this works with sound locks… It might :loopy:

#9

Am I understanding this right in that holding down a trig button essentially ‘previews’ the p-locked sound of that trig as applied to the currently playing sequence?

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#10

Oh, oh oh oh oh. Ok, I get it now!

This is like having up to 64 scenes (sets of parameter-locked sounds) per track!

To clarify once again (sorry if this is repetitive):

  1. Select BD1. Place one trig on the track.
  2. P-lock some stuff on that one trig. To audition this sound, play it from an external MIDI source or hit play on the AR.
  3. Once you’re happy with the sound, make another trig on the next step.
  4. P-lock some more stuff. When you press and hold the trig, you’re actually enabling this “scene” for this sound!
  5. Continue as needed; apply the technique to other sounds, simultaneously.
  6. Sequence your track externally and change sounds on the fly by pressing and holding the desired “sound-scene” trig!

Although I think the AR has an awesome sequencer and amazing performance tools built-in, this is cool for those who use external MIDI.

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#11

Now I get it, NEAT TRICK!

#12

Neat trick. This is kind of like manual multimapping.

Which begs the question… will they ever add multimap to the AR? :heat:

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#13

…yeah. it has to kind of ‘‘click’’ for everyone individually. :slight_smile:

it’s a really cool live feature and gives an unexpected amount of supermuch more sounds on one track, because you can even change the analog machines immediately.
like that. :wink:

a bit of 64 octatrack scenes without the fader in-between

#14

This is exploiting the way to preview parameter locks ordinarily … you press a trig with various locks and tap the Note which is lit, this auditions a lock without running the sequencer or reprogramming the step (except vel)

When you do this on the A4 the assigned Note will illuminate, if you tap this, nothing changes and you preview … The A4 always has to have an assigned note (locked) … the lit note is the lock, it’s different on AR

On the AR it doesn’t have to have a locked note, but if you go into chromatic after locking a step, even to Note 0 (default), then press the step, you’ll see the assigned note illuminate on the pad, so pressing the same note does an audition … or you can just press the Lit track pad (assuming no note lock set) to audition your locks

The difference with doing it with external midi is that you’re swapping out the internal key/pad role … i 'd forgotten about this on the AR as the pad doesn’t light by default (and only if in chromatic) … but on the A4 it’s indeed a fun way to have a preset machine, even just record parameter locks without notes and hold the trig before playing in via the mini keys (no need for external MIDI) or an OT / ext device

iirc it didn’t work with soundlocks, but it’s kinda cool to have broadly related ‘snapshots’ lined up on the trigs at the expense of a hand … it would be really powerful on the AK

can’t wait to see what it feels like on the AR, bit harder to jump between tracks/octaves though … good shout :thup:

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Playing p-locks in chromatic mode or via MIDI similar to Polyend Medusa Grid
#15

Hey! Mind if I ask you exactly how you achieve this please? Whenever I change the machine it’d be across the whole track, not per trig. Sounds to me like you’ve found a way to p-lock the machine type or am I misunderstanding?

Yeah, tried it but unfortunately doesn’t seem to work for me. Would’ve been nice though.

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One thing I find helpful with this trick is to copy or save the current pattern as soon as you’ve p-locked a few trigs, otherwise they do get accidentally erased quite easily, especially if I try to be quick.

Another thing is that, by combining this with scenes and perfs, you start getting crazy multi-dimensional modulation possibilities pretty quickly. It really is great fun! Thanks again for bringing this up!

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#16

they’ll get kind of ‘‘sticky’’ if you put a parameter slide trig underneath.

…need to try it again with the analog machines…maybe iam wrong.

#17

Thanks to remember me this trick for the A4.
I sequence my A4 externally, so I mute my tracks (no trigs played by the internal sequencer), press and hold a trig and turn some encoders to change the sound, release the trig. Doing so with other trigs. Then, holding a trig will recall all the parameters. this is so good! (I haven’t try this with slide).

#18

Ha, I stumbled across this finally sending midi from OT to AR and just holding down a trig… I remember reading this before and wanted to try it but forgot… Nice!
Now to mix it with scenes, performance, and some mod matrix action… :smiley: