I’m trying to create some reverse snares, rimshots and hats but the Attack in the Amp section doesn’t seem to be working - not the way it works on the A4 - or anywhere else for that matter… Anyone else having this issue? Either my AR is defective or my brain is! I get a kind-of slower attack if I fiddle with the Hold in conjunction with the Attack but not the slow fade-in I’m looking for
Make sure the trig length is long enough. Also, the hold time contains the attack time, so make sure hold is at least as long as the desired attack.
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Yay! Thanks!
Does anyone know what the point of this is? Seems it only creates confusion for most AR-users, definitely including myself.
Why didn’t they just use the standard amp envelope system?
The amp envelope on Rytm is quite similar to Octatrack’s envelope. It’s more suited for shaping longer samples than drum or synth sounds - where it can easily feel a bit confusing instead.
This is a known fact and alternative envelope functionalities are considered. But when sketching on such solutions it’s actually a but tricky to find a general AD or AR envelope mechanism (with a Hold parameter and a trig Length (which is not the standard amp envelope system)) that suits equally well even just for drum sounds and synth sounds. We’ll see what the future might bring.
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nice to hear Elektron considers new envelopes.
I like that env module a lot for being fast and punchy: https://soundcloud.com/l-1-synth/cwejman-adsr-vc2-l-1-quadvca
That nice envelope is still the standard ADSR envelope system, which easily fits most synth needs - but not all percussive needs or sample playback needs.
With an AHD or AHR envelope like in the Rytm, several behaviors could be desired depending on how you’d like the sound to react when playing. Percussive sounds and sustained sounds (like typically played on a keyboard) would need different behaviors; different reactions on the trig Length parameter; the Hold parameter could be interpreted in different ways, etc.
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Go buy a roland if you want “standard” features
This allows for things that cant be done with standard adsr and still get the basic env shapes.
Its not that hard.
Depends if you want everything handed to you on a platter or whether you want the challenge?
true. surely more complex here. meant as an audio demo for the words “fast”, “punchy”. trying to get this behaviour via the LFO right now. being a modulation pervert I’d love to have more tasty Elektron LFOs per track btw 
“This allows for things that cant be done with standard adsr”
Could you list some of the things you’re able to do with this adsr-setup, that can’t be done with the standard one? Would appreciate it, thank you!
nice ! I really thank you for the advice.
If Elektron says they are considering new envelope paradigms, that’s good enough for me…
I’ve been spending alot of time playing with the Trig length and have had great success creating reverse snares, hats, rimshots and even kicks(!)… gotta say it’s pretty awesome. Once you get used to the process it’s really a breeze- like alot of the Elektron stuff. To me, the whole idea of the AR is to create beats that don’t emulate any other devices or software instruments - the only limitation is the imagination.
Just wish I could create a beat and use it - everything is so infinitely tweakable it’s hard to stop fiddling
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+1 to standard ADSR
I think the envelope is fine. Wondering why not even more people are concerned about that single LFO thing…
If you read through the threads you will see there is a lot of concern on it. Probably the most requested feature and I would concur with that. The thing most lacking in the AR for me is modulation options…we are stuck with a single LFO.
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we are stuck with a single LFO.
we have param locks of course. massive amounts of step seq modulation. + scene & performance mode.
fast modulation for sound shaping is a bit thin, imho (fast envelopes, audio rate modulation). in my soaking wet dream world, analog components could get used for that job (AMP env and LFO is digital).
thing is, - I’m really not being flippant here - where do you stop, with all this…with any product / instrument to be fair? How much is not enough ? How much is too much ?
Sure another LFO would be nice, for example, but ultimately I still just keep thinking “it’s a drum machine”. Yes it’s relatively expensive ( not compared to a s/h 808 or 909 though…where’s yer LFO on those… ? 
) but you’re still getting a lot for your money. imho.
This isn’t an elektron fanboy defend-at-all-costs post btw, just maybe a slightly more rounded view ? I do sometimes wonder if a lot of this ‘upset’ with “it won’t do this & it won’t do that” comes from the paradigm shift caused by the world of software, where you get a gazillion features for £1.50, or free. People have come to expect an awful lot for not a lot of money…?
As someone who’s been using technology to create music since the mid 1980s I’m just amazed by what you get for your money right now in terms of hardware. It’s a golden age.
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The only limitation is convention.
xmit, amen!