I’m new to hardware sequencing so perhaps this is not that big of a deal to folks that are experienced, but holy crap, with conditional trigs, 16 steps is more than “enough” and 64 is just wanking!
Seriously, I’m pretty sure Elektron is already selling everthing that their Swedish elves are pounding out, but the more I dig into this thing, the more I trying to figure out why from a marketing perspective they keep some of this amazingness in the realm of “secret handshakes”
Really, between LFO and conditional trigs… 4 16 step tracks and im in Eno land for hours!!!
They really are the cats pyjamas, so many functions! I love making two melody/bass lines with choke groups, set one with percentage trigs and the other with neighbour trigs, fantastic for unique variations.
This has been well discussed a lot in various threads (especially when it was introduced), it may be wise to develop the existing ones rather than spreading it thin
It’s a bit different then just probability. The modulus and its paired conditions like pre, 1st or nei is in my opinion the most interesting part of the trigger conditions since they are not random.
I have to say, I bought the RYTM right before conditional trigs were introduced. I thought the RYTM was amazing and extremely capable but I would hate using a whole pattern slot just to have a crash at the beginning (I would make a copy without the crash and sit it right next to the “crash” pattern which would only play once).
After the conditional trigs arrived, I can’t even imagine this machine without them. I used to fill up my pattern slots way to fast, now I’m writing whole songs using less than 8 patterns. It truly is amazing! I have way too much gear and have had some amazing pieces that received amazing updates but the Trig update for the RYTM is by far the most fundamentally transformational update to any piece of gear I have ever seen.
I hate to even bring it up but…what will be next??? I have some hopes but the only three things I really want don’t seem like they will happen:
1 fix the input headroom issue, that was a huge ball dropped in my opinion, still haven’t wrapped my head around why they would cripple that the way they did…
2 MIDI sequencer output… COME ON! PLEASE!!!
3. More LFOs, although Simon went on record many moons ago saying that was impossible.
To be honest, I’ve gave them a fair amount of crap about this, and rightly so imo. But, to be fair, the RYTM is probably the greatest overall drum machine ever made so far, but it could be better
I didn’t know I couldn’t live without conditional trigs until they came so I’m excited and hopeful for the next thing I didn’t know I couldn’t live without!
i must say this was a real game changer for me as well. trig probability/conditional trigs on the A4 especially for CV duties killed my GAS for expensive eurorack sequencers. Nothing touches the elektron sequencer in usability, versatility, and of course PRICE. You get a lot of extra uses for your machines as a “brain”. The impulse machines would be really handy for doing the same with the rytm and its individual outs
but I would hate using a whole pattern slot just to have a crash at the beginning
The fact that you can have ANY sound from the sound pool attached to ANY trig almost makes the concept of tracks irrelevant too. This is another area where I think Elektron could do a better job with product information. Pre-sale as I was researching I kept seeing forum posts here and there about the “limitations” of 12 tracks, but only 8 voices, shared voices, etc. But you really have like 128 (or whatever the sound pool holds) voices per track.
And every trig can have a different sound!!! Damn you Elektron, I need limitations and constraints or I’m never going to get anything done!!!
Good point. With trig conditions alone, I barely touch sound locks like I used to. In combination it really gives you more than you usually need. I’m constantly waivering between buying an octatrack or not. Its age, storage format (takerith thing) and no trig conditions are the main turnoffs right now.
Man I hope an Octa 2 is in the pipeline for early 2017!!!
With the extra LFOs from the OT and 4 inputs for sounds from the Rytm I think they make a perfect pair.
The possibilities and combinations the OT bring far outweigh any negatives, but that’s just my opinion.
Do you run the rytm into the octa or the other way around? I never thought about the Octa’s lfos on the rytm, that would be awesome for sound design! Not enough lfos in the RYTM is one of the very few but serious lackings in the RYTM.
Yeah midi from OT and then various tracks from the Rytm into OT for extra/different fx and sampling.
That way you can use both sequencers, use the OT for traditional fills just by unmuting midi if needed.
I run them both into a mixer usually but I really love the OT’s sound, reminds me of the 90s in a good way so sometimes I’ll sample some loops into the OT then run the Rytm stereo into it and record from there into a DR-1.
Again the OT is such a workhorse that there are so many ways to use it.
On the LFO side you are essentially talking about 24 LFOs with many tricks up their sleeve, that is a lot of parameters to manipulate on the Rytm added to its own one per channel. Then using the 24 LFOs on the audio side for fx etc you are are really playing with some power!
Don’t forget the LFO designer either - really puts the ‘OT’ in ‘potential’!