I hadn’t thought of this, I’m going to have a look at that as a standalone route…
I got excited at the Ableton/LPP route as a way of having my AR/A4/DN sync’d for changing patterns en-mass (as an Ableton scene) or independently in session view.
It takes 3 tracks in Ableton/3 channels of an LPP, and you have complete flexibility to jump around anywhere you want to on the Elektron devices. You just need to watch for the ‘CH’ settings, they all need to be the same… it’s a pain, but I make sure every one is set to 16 for one bar, which keeps it in line with Ableton’s launch quantisation.
i actually do have an iPad! the only annoying thing with the iPad is you cant charge it and use it for MIDI at the same time? well not that I am aware of. It only has 1x usb C, so providing its fully charged then absolutely thats an awesome idea.
Just a little update, the Master/Slave where by the slave is set to receive prog changes and master sends them, I had to set the program channel iirc that’s what is was called, so ch 16, works like a charm. So far I can’t see an issue yet with this…
I might still yet go for an external pad midi sequencer so I can sequence more complex changes, perhaps… after all I do need to sing as well…
I did want to ask one last thing, I can’t work out for the life of me, the difference between
CH.LEN & M.LEN
Well I know M.LEN is the main pattern length, and so far I have got it todo all I need, bars of 7/5 and 5/4 for example with out touching CH.LEN, so what does it stand for and what impact does it have?
Oh shit! I just realised as typing, is it CHAIN length??
I have both my elektron machines to ch length 128. (I like to work in 8 bar phrases)
As for the uneven track length thing that people say doesnt work. Im working on a track today, that has a 60 step pattern on one of the digitone tracks. The others are all either 16, 64, or 128. I can change to and from that pattern with no hiccups at all. So I dunno?
CH.LEN is, I thought, “change length”. It’s the number of steps after which the sequencer will change to the next pattern.
When you have an M.LEN of INF, typically when you’re playing with polymeter, the sequencer doesn’t know when the pattern is “done”, so it can’t change to a new one unless you hit stop. So you can set CH.LEN to be “how long’s the pattern when I’m changing it”.
If anything it’s LEN/M.LEN that’s the weird one. It actually means “how long before the pattern restarts”. That’s the same as the sorta casual meaning of length unless you’re using polymeter.
Polymeter is kinda like multiple time sigs in parallel. So you actually need to tell the sequencer “this is 4/4 not that weird 13/16 bit I have going on here, pretend that’s bot a thing” (or the other way round).
so, if you set M.LEN to INF, then you loose your short "special length pattern, as its that parameter thats makes my 7 bars of 4/4, set to 112 - if you set that M.LEN to INF then it just goes back to 8 bars of 4/4.
so my current thinking is that CHANGE LENGTH doesn’t work for odd bar counts…
M.LEN, as @Octagonist said, is the master ‘reset’ length, so if you’re using polyrhythms of different lengths, they’ll reset at the value you set. Setting it to INF(inite) will maintain the polyrhythmic counter-rhythms throughout.
CHange then dictates after how many steps your pattern will change from when you give the command.
I usually set mine to 16 (1 bar) because that’s familiar to me from Ableton, and if I have a 64 step/4 bar pattern, I’m comfortable giving the command during the fourth bar, if that makes sense.