Hello analog4 enthusiasts.
Thanks for your effort on Sound in General and this Forum.
Im a new a4 Player. Its great fun to Experiment and learn and ending mostly with the a4 being a hardcore drummachine.
Just this automatic saving thing limits my Motivation to quickly turn on the a4 and Experiment quite a lot.
somehow the operation: save pattern, experiment with knobs, copy, paste to other pat, save a new kit, go back to old pattern and reload (pattern and kit) doesnt work mostly.
thats howI thought I can handle this **** automatic saving thing.
Who wanted or needed this anyway?
yes, I read a lot in yor great Forum about it.
2)Does toggle a Project mean I can turn on a4 , twist, turn off and the Project is like before? at least , but doesnt help with evolving and making a pattern better.
3)Should clear track really clear a track the way that I can Input a Sound like it sounds on +drive. To me it seemed mostly not. or what should I do to create a new track with new unshaped Sound?
Has someone of you experience with the a4 coupled with a oberheim SEM remake or a clone.?
I thougt the a bit discrete character of SEM would go together well with
the also mostly not so in your face character of a4 as a Percussion synth.
1 ) As long as you're not working in chain or song mode you could eather 1 - make changes in a pattern - copy that pattern - reload - and then paste the copy to a next empty pattern-slot.
2 - copy the pattern - paste to an empty slot - work from there
The auto-save is needed if you wanna record an track on top of other patterns who are chained or chained in song-mode. Very interesting if you wanna make melody’s longer than the maximum pattern-length.
1 – 2 >>> !! You don’t have to make a new KIT for every copy when you decide to use the same sounds ( so you can use thhe same KIT )
2 ) Turnig - off keeps the last state - if you wanna return to the original you have to reload.
3 ) Clear-track clears only the sequence-data ( and P-Locks ) so not the sound or KIT . To create a new track with a new sound you have to make a new KIT or change the sound in the KIT ( load from + Drive ) that’s it.
It would be nice if the auto-save could be turned off do…
Ive been thinking this tru… and it seems to me that these machines wouldn’t be able to function the way they do now without
autosave. Every time apattern loops we want it to remember the parameter-adjustments we made. That’s a way of auto-saving . ( in a memory somewhere )
We can reload a pattern, so the Original sits in a memorey somwhere.
So the instrument has a stock of all patters + 1 memory for the pattern we are editing live avaleble. ( let’s call it Live memory )
As soon as we change patterns lets say from a1 to a2. the machine has to remember the edited pattern a1 so it has to be pasted over the Original a1 as it can’t stay in the Live memory witch is needed for pattern a2.
These instruments made with the intention of making live adjustments and live composing and looking at them like this makes the auto-save the most logick.
This also implicates that it would be complex to add the possebility to switch it off as we would need a extended live-memory.So for every pattern a second Live-memory-buffer.Things become probably more complex when chaining patterns for the sequencer.
With no autosave these machines wouldn’t be possible.
Switching it off means at least more memory and a different software,
maybe even hardware ( in my logic ). Maybe I’m wrong, I know nothing about programming or electronics.
Thank you very much vos for the time to answer my question and your
interest in synths in general.
Somehow I understand your answer to why autosave, somehow not. Very interesting anyway.
(On my old korg er-1 its just push write, chose current pattern or other,
if not it stays like before turning on machine including recorded knob turns. Those recorded knob turns after years are already a crazy science miracle for me. ok, a Radio also.)
But the why is not important to me, i see a4 is more complex and analog.
Just still searching best way to handle autosave, will try your way. i will never feel confortable with it. Unfortunately, because i love the strange and for a lazy guy like me theoretically too complex a4.
clear track I asked because if i doubleclick track to put in new Sound
it often seemed new Sound is affected by the for example env and lfo values that I used for previous Sound. I want to begin fresh to shape the new sound. Or am I wrong or do I forget something?
Putting in a new sound only changes the sound used - ( so it changes 1 KIT sound of the 4 KIT-sounds being used ) it dousn’t change track-settings ( = notes - locks - slides - glides - etc… )
Things get totally fresh when you erase the track.
If you want to keep only the note settings you can erase only the parameter-locks but you’ll have to do it for eatch step individually by holding the step - on the mini-clavier and pushign the erase ( between copy and paste button ) button. ( you can hold multiple steps at 1 time if you have enough fingers )
Thanks vos.
to me, it seems your copy, reload, paste operation works, sometimes not.
But can be the analog soul of a4 or that i forgot some knob.
same for inputting new sounds.
Would be nice if I could be sure that the reload to saved state pattern and kit
operation works. so that i could experiment wild one day and after a week i could go through the patterns and kits and reload everything. Should work theoretically or not? But im still (too?) insecure about the complex analog soul
and that i forgot something so i reload before switching pattern.
I already save always pattern and name the kit for pattern G4 G4test2 .
But mostly thanks to elektron and guys loke vos or void for experimenting with sound.
I don’t think it’s possible that way. When you edit a pattern and switch to another it’s autosaved. The only way would be to make a copy of the performance and work from there. You can only reload the pattern you’re in. To make that possible the machine would have to remeber all patterns twice. ( edited an Original ).
There is a work-around I sometimes use You can copy anything and load an other performance and paste ito there if you have the courage
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