i have a question, once again kind of a silly one, though for me quite important.
I’ve had Analog four for several weeks now and immediately fell in love with the great functionality and brilliant sound. I’m a musician playing ambient/drone music and next Friday I’m going to have a rather important gig coming up, so i better start preparing my liveset.
I’ve made some nice patterns already, but there is one thing that really puzzles me. I’ve got several patterns that are ok always when I select them, but there are others that were properly saved when I made them, though when I play them again after some time, they sound completely different! The sounds are different, everything sounds weird.
What could be the reason for this?
Is my workflow correct? I usually do things this way:
I select a kit I like
I screw around, I create, I tweak and have a great time composing the pattern
As soon as I’m happy with it, I save the pattern to selected place (say, E3).
I don’t always save the kit. Is this necessary with each pattern or only when I want to change the kit? Because if I have more pattens created with the same kit, it’s not necessary to always save the same kit … or is it?
I’ve noticed that this only happens with patterns with lots of tweaking, glitches and generally heavily structured textures.
Can anyone tell me what this could be?
Given that my liveset is due in several days, it’s essential for me to know what I can expect from the saved patterns
patterns are linked to kits
if you play with that kit after that it is ‘soft’ saved
so, a quick workflow fix is
keep one kit for one pattern and be sure that you save the kit in your preferred state so you can return to it with reload>kit if you adjust it whilst playing
backup patterns and kits to be safe using the c6 app
i’m new too & still working on my workflow, so keen to hear other tips
Thanks man.
Though … you know, I have to save every single kit by a new name. So, if there are even small variations to an existing kit (let’s say, one of the original ones by Elektron) I have to save it as a new kit?
that’s weird.
well, you have as many kit slots as patterns, so it does’t matter what you name them if you use kit 1 in pattern 1 and kit 2 in pattern 2 and so on - that’s how the presets are ordered, if you accidentally save over a preset kit just load it back in via c6 - the link between a pattern and a kit is something we have to work with, as too is the automatic (but non-destructive) auto saving (as distinct from manual saving of kits/patterns etc)
if you work on a new pattern with a favourite kit, be sure to save that kit in the corresponding pattern slot as your first priority, then your changes won’t affect the original pattern the kit was linked to
i hope this becomes second nature, because it’s not yet intuitive and it’s a bit fiddly !!
All Elektron gear works like that, and it does take a while to get used to. Cant tell you how much work I lost when I first started using Elektrons!
A KIT is associated with each pattern, and if you have the same kit loaded on say, three patterns, and then do some parameter tweaking, the kit will NOT reload as long as you are jumping between the patterns that share that same KIT. The tweaks will remain in the Auto Save of the memory so the next time you turn on the machine, those tweaks will still be in place.
If you make tweaks to a KIT and then jump to a new pattern that is linked to a different KIT, then the new kit is loaded. If you then jump back to the pattern where you previously made parameter tweaks, then that KIT will also be reloaded, to the version you last saved via the KIT > SAVE menu.
Make a basic kit set up, and then make a copy as back up (I even do this for Snapshots). If you want to change how the sounds are at a particular point in a track, save a new kit for that part.
I personally save new kits a lot. I also save tweaks that I’m making a whole hell of a lot. I’m constantly in the SAVE menu! The great thing is (if you have it) that there is plenty space on the +Drive machines to save as much as you want.
The drag to using lots of kits in a song is that if you have a sound that is shared by several kits, and then later on you want to change that sound, you have to go back and make tweaks, or copy and paste (carefully) to replace the old sounds.
This is a struggle for everyone at first. I highly recommend you download and use the patch called Tabula rosa, made by the good man Void - it resets the A4 so that each pattern is linked to its separate kit. Thus saving patterns is much simplified. And just get used to click quickly Save + pattern and Save + kit when saving, and there you go
But make sure you backup your current patches before installing the tabula rosa file.
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