Someone has Rytm & Tempest?

As the title says… Someone has both machines at his/her fingers at the moment?
I want to buy 1 of these 2… but as I allready have all the Elektron machines the Rytm would probably fit very well in my setup… And that is just what may me want to buy the Tempest.
Also from what i’ve read on the net I think the Rytm has less synthesis options compared to the Tempest.

Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to break down the Rytm. I just think that, for me personally, too much stuff of Elektron might not be always the right thing to do

Don’t know how you guys think if this?

HI

I just posted a video “Tempest vs Rytm” from someone unidentified over youtube. Maybe this person would respond to your question. Try contact him on his youtube chan?

[url=“Analog Rytm Video Thread”]Analog Rytm Video Thread


[url=“Analog Rytm Video Thread”]

Thanks, will do :wink:

greets

deleted the dupe thread

He s on DSI forums, posted in this thread:

http://dsiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5835#p50563

I have both (my Tempest is for sale btw.). It has been said that the Tempest is a six voice polyphonic analog synthesizer that happens to be shaped like a drum machine, and that’s exactly how I feel about it. You can dive deep into all kinds of sound design with the Tempest – I was able to make beautiful pad sounds, leads etc. But you also have to dive to get great sounds from it. As a groove box you turn on and immediately get something going, the Rytm beats the Tempest imho.

With the Rytm you can start on the surface and dive deeper; no luck without diving on the Tempest…

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I don’t have a Tempest. From what I know of both devices, I think you need to ask yourself if you mostly want a dedicated analogue drum machine or if you want a 6-voice subtractive synth engine with pads instead of keys.

Both devices have great sequencers, good performance controls, and sample support. The real differences are between having to use the built-in samples (Tempest) vs. the ability to use your own (RYTM), and between dedicated analogue drum circuitry (RYTM) vs. “generic” analogue voices.

I actually much preferred the sound of the Tempest here, maybe I’ll finally snap one up now that so many are selling theirs to get the rytm instead? :stuck_out_tongue: Nah, both sound great no doubt, and either one would be a killer centerpiece in any home studio :slight_smile:

Also:

:slight_smile:

Do you a want a drum machine? -> Get Rytm

Do you want a rhythm synth? -> Get Tempest

To qualify this comment: Rytm has dedicated machines built for drum and percussion synthesis out of the box. Choose BD, tweak. Want a snare? Choose SD, tweak.

Tempest uses a classic synth architecture, which means drums and percussion are possible but you need to know exactly how to synthesis a bass drum, snare, tom etc.

Also if sample import is important to you - and it most likely will be if / when you get frustrated with not quite being able to synthesise a great hi-hat on the Tempest (for example), then the Rytm is the better choice.

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Seen this a few minutes ago. Maybe it helps with your decision. I have a Tempest, a Rytm and a Jomox 999… after comparing the AR one week now to the others, its hard to say which is better or the best.
The AR have wonderful innovativ features. The Sample possibilities are really a plus for the AR.
All sound great for itself and at the moment I don´t want to miss anyone of it.

Take out a loan and buy both!

I’ve been wondering the same thing but I’ve got my hands full learning the new gear I got.

Whatever you buy hope you learn it quick, fall in love.

Used Tempest machines have been dipping low on ebay. $1200 or so.

I sold the tempest to fund the AR. The AR is way better for drums imho. The envelopes were just not snappy enough for drums and clicked inconsistently which really got on my nerves. Tempest needs alot of other gear too like a mixing desk and external fx. Its too dry on its own. Performance wise it is limited to 16 patterns which is nice for 1 track but very small for a liveset.

I miss its pads and the ability to create melodies by using scales on the pads though, and i loved the warm organic synth sounds, but don’t miss it for drum duties.

Okay that helps a bit… For how much you sell the tempest and where you located? :smiley:
DM me if it’s still for sale, i might buy it.

Sorry for that :wink: thanks

^^^THIS^^^

I am so hoping that Elektron implements a scale feature, it makes so much sense when using pads.

If I had more money and less responsibilities, I would buy a Tempest again. Since money is a factor and I enjoy my modular synth a lot, it isn’t happening.

Also, I don’t think the video is absolutely representative of how the AR sounds. The guy that posted the video even says that this is after a limited amount of time with the AR. Also, that particular beat really may just shine on the Tempest…

When it is all said and done, the AR packs more punch for me and my needs.

I actually much preferred the sound of the Tempest here, maybe I’ll finally snap one up now that so many are selling theirs to get the rytm instead? :stuck_out_tongue: Nah, both sound great no doubt, and either one would be a killer centerpiece in any home studio :slight_smile:

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This is one of the worst videos of the Analog Rytm Ive seen so far and barely compares to most of the other videos, not sure how he managed to do that.
Also take out the bassline and snare sample and you get a better indication of ‘some’ drums that both are playing.
Someone in another thread said he wanted to send him his Analog Rytm beats and see if the Tempest can compare to them :slight_smile:

Im sorry, I have to agree. This video makes the rytm seem muted and dull, and it is ANYTHING but.
The rytm BANGS! Instead of using samples to try to make the exact same thing on both machines,
use the synth engine on the rytm to get as close as possible, and use the compressor.

To the OP, I had the tempest and I got rid of it. Dont get me wrong, it sounded great but I found myself using it more for a synth, and I needed a drum machine.Got the MD, then the OT and the rest is history. If you already are familiar with the elektron workflow, then you’re good to go, and im sure the rytm will be getting more and more update love.

I love both elektron, and DSI as well (have a poly evolver, and a tetra), but with the crazy analog drums, and crazy granular type stuff I have been getting, plus overbridge coming I would have to say the rytm.

Hey,

has anyone of you both and can tell me what are the +/-
for each of the Machines?

thanks

Tempest sounds great, and has a unique character.
The UI layout is fantastic, and it has way more to offer in the realm of synthesis.
Each of the “Modes” are really fun in how they work.
The Tempest kind of begs to be played as a standalone device, or at least with one other mono synth or something.
You can sequence up to one external device from the Tempest.
CC automation, and midi implementation on the Tempest are extremely limited.
I find that to get the Tempest to sound really expressive, you need to be hands on most of the time.
I found the biggest draw backs to the Tempest being how limited it is in programming.
There are no “banks” really, so you can run out of patterns quickly.
The idea is that you can mute pads, to create multiple patterns within 1 pattern, however there is an 8 event limit (only 8 things can happen at once, even when pads are muted). This odd limitation makes the solution for limited patterns feel even more limited.
If you want to save or load anything on the Tempest, you have to stop the playback.
I think the samples in the Tempest seem like an after thought. There’s a bunch of random shitty samples that makes me think why even bother.
The Compressor and Distortion kind of feel like a one trick stomp box. They are ON, or OFF, not much else other than more ON.
Touch sliders on the Tempest feel kind of reckless. There’s nothing "smooth"about using them.
If I remember correctly, assigning the High Pass filter to a slider doesn’t work very well at all, you go from zero to lots of high pass worth not much in between. When assigning stuff to sliders, you have to treat them as something that less about precision, and more about mangling.
Tempest has no FX.

The Tempest is an amazing machine that sounds fantastic and is designed to jam on, but it demands your attention to shine.
If you’re into the idea of having minimal analog drums, along with lush synthy sounds and an quirky/cool round robin voice thing, that’s super fun to tweak knobs to oblivion, the Tempest is where it’s at fer sure.

As a drum machine and possible the heart of a system of multiple synths, the RYTM crushes the Tempest.
From a programming songs standpoint, Elektron leaves Tempest in the dust.
Samples sound like magic in the RYTM.
The analog machines sound fantastic, massive low end.
Not a lot of sound shaping synthesis for each machine. The RYTM seems designed to be very focused.
A kick drum will be a kick drum, not really a “lush synthy pad”
The combination of samples and analog machines make a wide pallet of percussive possibilities.
You can make HUGE bass lines and leads using single cycle waves in the RYTM.
The compression, overdrive, and effects are really nice and have just what you need for editing options.
For finger drumming, the pads on the RYTM are stupid small, and trying to tap out a meaningful velocity seems impossible. The pads work great for the Perf Mode, Scene Mode, Mute mode. I’m completely satisfied with their expressiveness in Perf Mode.
P-locks, and conditional trigs take the RYTM to a whole new level on what you can achieve with 1 pattern.

One LFO per track seems pretty limited.
Sample management is kinda wacky and definitely takes time to get use to, and then once you understand it, you’ll ask “WHY!” a lot.
The playable “re-trig” function on the RYTM seems very unfinished or not thought through.

The are both great machines, but really different from each other.
To me the Tempest and A4 is a better comparison, or at least a closer one.

As someone stated earlier.
Do you a want a drum machine? -> Get Rytm

Do you want a rhythm synth? -> Get Tempest

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A question regarding the use of single cycle waveforms on the RYTM, does the the sound differ using them on different machines if you get what I’m trying to say. Or for example if you had just a sample on every pad, the same sample, would they sound different or do they just get mixed in.