[spin-off topic] Reliability of hardware vs computers

Regarding jitter, in the 90s, I found that parallel port midi interfaces on Windows were solid. The same was true for printer port midi interfaces on Mac OS 8-9.

Jitter on early USB interfaces on the other hand, was laughably bad in some cases. I remember having to regularly start/stop multiple times to get everything mostly synced.

in 90s, i could afford only cracked software :grin:

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Actually word clock is completely different to midi clock.
Word clock deals with audio only and is used in a system to perfectly synchronise all digital devices to a common audio sample rate.
Nothing to do with midi

A lot of the time poor midi sync between computer and device is the fault of poor midi implementation on the device itself not the computer.
Im looking at you Blofeld, Pro2 and TI for example

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ya my mistakeā€¦i meant midi.
werd clock is so damn expensive. but titer than tite

It is interesting to hear other usersā€™ experience. Iā€™ve never had midi issues with my TI.

I presume you didnā€™t own one when they were very first released.
The issues were rectified with released updates, as well as the other 2 synths mentioned, although I still occasionally hear of issues with Blofeld midi sync

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Arg, midi problems with the pro2ā€¦from the inventor of MIDI ?!
I sold my AK for a pro2 a month ago. I only synced it with the DT so far and ot worked nicelyā€¦ How did you experienced trouble?

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Yeah thought that was ironic as hell at the time :crazy_face:

Iā€™ve been OTB for most of my time creating music and Iā€™m actually in the process of making the leap to a hybrid setup with a DAW (computer and interface are on the way).

The one thing I dislike about computer setups though is how stuff basically depreciates in value so quickly. I have an old Maschine MK1 that I bought after I sold my MPC 1000 back in the day. I never really bonded with it, but now itā€™s no longer supported by NI, so itā€™s basically useless to me now and Iā€™m sure itā€™s value has dropped like a stone. If I still had my MPC1000 it would (most likely) still be operational or I could sell it for a decent price.

Donā€™t even get me started about the value of software. Itā€™s essentially a sunk cost (or at least thatā€™s been my experience).

Pro2 sequencer couldnt sync with external midi clock when released

Ouch!
I hope it is solved nowā€¦

Still no way to sync its arpegiatorā€¦

Well there you go, that was the issue way back then.
Ridiculous

I believe so

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True, I think I got the TI around 2007 so they were already deep into updates at that point.

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The problem is that we are slaves of the constant marketing / update scheme with computers.

Take any cheap custom build pc tower with a decent entry level audio interface, install a bunch of vst and a daw untill you find a stable config.
Now disconnect it from any internet, or update FOREVER.
What you get an insanely powerful music solution, you will be able to find spare parts for decades and replace them youselfā€¦ it will probably last longer than any peace of digital hardware you have ever owned. Price/Value wise, feature wise, isnā€™t it the best piece of hardware one could ever own ?

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100%
nothing comes even remotely close to its value
Ableton suite and a decent computer is all anyone needs to produce from scratch a mastered, commercial level finished product
I will say I donā€™t agree about the updates though. Iā€™ve been on windows 10 for years, have auto updates switched on and never had an issue

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me neither win 10 updates are no prob for me but I recon it could be sometimes.
As @DimensionsTomorrow explained for his obsolete maschine mk1, when you update your os sometimes a bunch of apps doesnā€™t follow, support wise.
My point was that you have to carefully decide if you update or not, checking if your apps are maintained or not. Seems a pain in the ass but it is totally normal to me though as everyone shares the same OS.
In practice i think it is only mandatory for major os releases. But if i played live with my computer or ran a professional studio, that is the attitude i would adopt.

I would be surprised if the maschine doesnā€™t work.
Just because a device is no longer supported doesnā€™t mean itā€™s useless and wonā€™t work
Nord G2 hasnā€™t been supported in years but still works perfectly