The Behringer Gear-in-progress Thread

@t Micro machines was never my thing :smiley:

Behringer would sell heaps more gear if they didn’t print their name on it.
Got a shitty old behringer rack thing, and I think
I could almost make eye contact with it, if it lost the badge.
Surely their marketing division have discussed it :joy:

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@psyclone001

The few things I’ve bought from Behringer have been solid, Bcr2000 controller & Behringer ECM8000 measurement mic.

Had them for years and they’ve not failed yet although I was stupid enough to give the Bcr away some years back :zonked:

Yeah I know, just would be better with no name :joy:

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Hehehe :smile: :joy:

And the best part is, it doesn’t sound half as bad as the 808 ACB! The 909 boutique is quite a nice piece for the price.

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Regarding the drum machines, I’d probably just wait for the next Perfect Circuit Audio sale and get a TT-78 - but that’s just me.

Just my uninformed speculation – will Behringer (Music Group is the corporate name) leverage the digital signals engineering expertise of their subsidiary TC Electronics which makes a ton of digital processing products to do digital synth products?

http://www.tcelectronic.com/production/products/

http://www.tc-helicon.com/en/products/

http://www.tcelectronic.com/guitar/

Thirty minutes to warm up? An hour to calibrate?

— http://cdm.link/2018/01/behringer-teases-oberheim-roland-clones-hints-production-delays/

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Wait a minute. Has the 101 been taken out of the mix? :frowning:

I think most people who wanted a 101 have bought a 01A from Roland. Or two.

Re: The Behringer Model D

Quote of Uli Behringer from this excellent article [Good find t]:
The next batch will hopefully leave the factory by end of coming week with some units being air-shipped to the US. The production is still relatively slow due to the fact that each unit takes over 30 minutes to warm up followed by a meticulous one-hour calibration and quality assurance procedure.”

So this is a manufacturing problem, and not one that happens every time the user turns the box on cold. (Or it better be.)

Perhaps this is something like, which trimmer pot of the twenty do you set first and how, so you’re not changing this one that changes the setting of another one you already did. Coming up with a detailed manufacturing calibration procedure can take time. (Trimmer pots, or trimpots are the little components on the board that you can only get at inside the box. There can be capacitors and inductors like this too.)

There is no way they meet their internal cost goals if they need to do this much hand tweaking on every unit.

Put simply the engineering of a product for production, especially with the extreme constraint of low cost, is complicated. It takes time.

My own wild guess to what might have happened: Skip this.

Sounds to me that there is too loose a relationship between the engineering and/or quality assurance team with those in manufacturing. This sort of problem should get caught long before a large manufacturing run and shipment. This is something that companies can face when they are large and are spread geographically, and fail at close communication.

It also could come from trying to work too fast, feeling pressure, committing to a large manufacturing run too soon. Personal experience here – perhaps they’ve been delayed with something else already and are looking to hit a home-run to catch up to schedule.

It also could be incompetence in the engineering design that didn’t account for the calibration process in manufacturing and basically engineered something that is almost impossible to mass produce, as every unit is hand tuned. I doubt this but it sure is possible, it’s been done.

If the boog D is a ”clone” of the og moog circuit board, then sure enough the filter etc needs to be manually calibrated for each unit. Only logical.

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I was thinking something like that when i wrote my screed Tsutek. Perhaps you mean this in jest too. Of course a “clone” could go right down to a copy of the PCB silk screen. I guess the goal is to copy the good stuff and take some license with stuff that shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

Actually i’d love all original thought!

Totally agree with this line of thinking. If it’s a pretty much exact clone it is logical that circuits need to be tuned. But as things are it will always be assumed that behringer is doing something wrong.
If moog release a statement citing the same thing was holding up their production of model d people would say it’s because of how precisely engineered they synths are and it shows the amount of care goin into each hand built synth.

Funny how things are that way.

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Even when I bought a filterboard for my Shruthi-1 from tubeohm.de, the newly built filterboard had to be tuned & calibrated manually (which tubeohm did excellently ofc). Its quite normal really with analog synths, depending on the design.

It could be argued that behri shot their own foot by not designing a circuit that wouldn’t require such manual calibration, well perhaps one cannot do it like that if you still want the D sound (?)

More info – I went back a watch the Behri D teardown video and easily counted at least 10-12 trimmers to be adjusted.

Was the “Maelstrom” ever actually shown in a picture? It sounds extremely interesting to me but I never found a pic.

Woah.

Says that it’s semi modular but I don’t see any patch points?

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Could this be the synth with 56 patch points on the right side, it’s clearly not shown?! Seems like that’s the trend these days.

EDIT: It seems like it is! It looks pretty bad but if it keeps the same street price as the D…
Now it’s time to release a synth with more west coast design.