There isn’t a fully blown sampler in the Elektron range but the Digitakt has been hugely successful and the Octatrack is still going strong.
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There isn’t a fully blown sampler in the Elektron range but the Digitakt has been hugely successful and the Octatrack is still going strong.
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well, probably.
i just remember MC-707 threads on each and every gear forum in 2019. there were 2 kinds of people – 1) happy with synth engine, and 2) complaining about too limited sampler functionality.
Yeah you’re right. Had an MC707 myself and some elements did seem like an odd backwards step after the much earlier MC909. Hopefully, Roland continues to improve upon the 1.8 update released a few days ago and / or brings out a new device combining the best elements of both MC909 and MC707.
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Maybe there is enough dsp available to do this on the machine, but I think the problem is that it has to coexist with the other 7 digital machines at the same time.
I mean, it is important that other machines are not heavy on DSP, so you can use whichever machine you like on every digital track at the same time.
Maybe a sample player machine would be doable and lighter
Hopefully there is at least enough for it to have a very basic 12 or 16 bit mono sampler with a small capacity like Machinedrum. I haven’t used an analog rythm, but I assume it’s similar.
I wouldn’t be shocked if we see a sample player as a machine added to the ST a few years down the line. I don’t think we’ll ever see a sampler though, just a player.
Would syntakt be strong enough for physical modeling machines?
Neighbour FX machines!
Akin to the octatrack. Taking the signal output from other digital machines and process them.
a proper polyphonic mode became my number 1 feature request.
I’m enjoyng syntakt like an 8voice polyphonic synth via retrokits rk002 a lot. The only problem with this setup is that you can’t hold a chord with left hand and play a long progression, because sooner or later you would experience voice stealing caused by its cycling through channels.
You can edit the code. As inspiration, Midipal has a mode allowing to hold a chord, not cycling channels systematically. I have both, too lazy to work on it…
I don’t know how to code
I was thinking to copy the polymux code twice and then set one to work on channel 13 for the first 4 voices, and the other on channel 14.
then i would split my midi keyboard in two zones…
I’ll take a look at midipal and see if I could take inspiration from that.
Thanks
Me neither !
Sometimes I’m lucky modifying them ! And your idea is interesting !
But, yes, poly mode for ST is much better…
In a future update would it be possible to convert analog cymbal into a fourth dual vco ?
Or circuits won’t allow that ?
i second this!
would love it even if the sound will be different (that could be part of fun)
I believe it’s a different circuit. judging by the rytm architecture.
Definitely.
to me it sounds like a noise generator plus filter for tone, so i don’t think it’s possibile. Someone with experience on analog synth could take a look at the board and see if all 4 analogue circuits are the same.
Nope. There is a dedicated noise generator for all analog voices, which seems digital.
From Rytm manual:
MULTI-OSCILLATOR SYNTHESIS SUITED FOR HIHAT, VARIOUS CYMBAL AND COWBELL SOUNDS.
From the README.PDF
List of changes from OS 1.22B to 1.30
New synthesis models
Basic Hi-Hat
Hi-Hat synthesis with a tinny electronic sound. Set the tone and decay of the transient to get as deep, or shrill, an impact as you want. The oscillators can be set to reset at the start, in order to get a more consistent sound between hits.
Metallic Open Hi-Hat
Open Hi-Hat synthesis with a snappy metallic sound. A smattering of oscillators produces this particular brass-like alloy. Tune it to your musical needs. Loads to CH and OH tracks.
Metallic Closed Hi-Hat
Closed Hi-Hat synthesis with a snappy metallic sound. A smattering of oscillators produces this particular brass-like alloy. Tune it to your musical needs.
Ride Cymbal
A multi-functional Cymbal with a variety of cymbal oscillator configurations. Type (A-D) selects different sets of fundamental oscillator frequencies, as well as different inter-oscillator logical interaction. The sound is composed of three different components - each with a different color. The contribution of each can be set individually. Perfect for ride-cymbal type sounds as well as a host of other types of cymbal sounds.
Metallic Cymbal
Cymbal synthesis with a snappy metallic sound. A handful of interacting oscillators combine to give this cymbal model a distinctively cool chime. The ability to set the tone of the transient as well as the body of the cymbal sound lets you temper this model to suit your composition with ease.
Metallic Cowbell
Two-oscillator Cowbell synthesis with a snappy metallic sound. Like the classic cowbell model, the resonant cavity of this virtual jangler can be simulated using subtle or drastic detune interaction from a second oscillator. Set the pitch proper, set the detune offset, then go scare those electric sheep away with more cowbell.
Along with sampling, I really wish there were just more machine types. When Syntakt was announced, I kind of thought it was meant to fill the digital drum machine void, since Machinedrum was discontinued. I do appreciate what Syntakt is on its own, but, in my opinion, it doesn’t stand up to Machinedrum in terms of sonic possibility. Machinedrum had way more machines and deeper sound design potential. It’s kind of odd to me that Elektron has all these great “machines” that existed in machinedrum, and didn’t incorporate them into Syntakt. Again, I know they are different products, but given that Machinedrum is discontinued, it would be nice to have something modern to replace it. So, some of the models from Machinedrum would be cool to have in Syntakt. I don’t know if it is possible, but it would be nice if each track had sample rate reduction and ring modulators, like the machinedrum does also. Of course, basic sampling like is offered on the Machinedrum UW’s would be great as well. Maybe I just want a machinedrum mk3, but since Syntakt is the only current digital drum machine (I know it’s a hybrid analog digital), it would be great to just offer more “machines” from the legacy Elektron boxes. It would also be nice if they had the retrigs from the legacy boxes (and Octatrack) as well. You can do stutters on Syntakt, but since they don’t get very fast, you can’t get the tonal/textural sounds and glitches that the old way Elektron boxes got. I ended up making a clone of the old Elektron retrig knobs in Bitwig, becuase I like the way it works so much. So, anyway, it would be great if they brought that back too.
I have the strong impression that this is simply a company that does not really care. people are screaming for that for ages, but they just don-t care. Feels a little bit like as if they still think they got way better ideas. Not to say the actual boxes are bad but they can not mess with the old ones in many aspects and that is 20 years later. I mean think about that. Things that were there and people loved are gone now and there is just silence. A little bit like Apple. We know whats right, so shut up. I don´t know. Many companys now seem to start to get it, that they deliver tools for artist, so it would be very helpful to engange in an open discussion about needs and wishes.
We need Legacy Kits for this Thing and of course reTrigs options