Will Novation ever make a Circuit Pro?

Will Novation ever make a Circuit Pro?

Seems like lots of people love the individual boxes and want them to be more powerful. Could they make one that combines both Tracks and Rhythm?

Perhaps something like 8 tracks sampling, 4 synth tracks 3 midi tracks and 1 looper? Or some other combo which is basically 16 tracks of sampling and synthesis.

I don’t own either, but hankering after a portable box that does easy sampling, synths and external midi. Polyend Play doesn’t sample, MPC One isn’t very portable.

Thoughts on likeliness of this? Alternatives?

As far as currently available gear goes, I think you’ve got a few options that seem pretty nice. I’m thinking of the Synthstrom Deluge and the M8 Tracker. Both are portable. Both can do MIDI sequencing, sampling, and synthesis. I’ve never used either so I don’t have much of an opinion. But they seem cool. If I had the money I would be trying to take the Deluge for a spin.

As for a potential Circuit Pro, I would be into it. I’ve just got the Rhythm. I’ve never used the Tracks, the og, or the Mono Station. But something combining aspects of each of them with more on board control for doing things like editing synth and grid fx presets would be great. I’ve also got a lot of dumb ideas about it so as long as we’re dreaming a dream I’d like a say in designing it.

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Well, get both Circuits and you’ve still shelled out less than most groove boxes cost, and you got an extremely powerful battery-powered music station.

I use Tracks into Rhythm. Sample from the Tracks. Mangle it in the Rhythm. Build the song there. Whenever I need more, I just sample new stuff from the Tracks.

So those two together are pro enough for quite some time.

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I would love to see a Pro version with a screen and multiple outputs. I love the Circuit concept of being able to combine multiple clips easily but I find myself forgetting what is where without the screen.

A combined Tracks / Rhythm would be a great Digitakt / Digitone alternative, I think.

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I personally think Novation made a mistake when they chose to create separate boxes for the second generation of Circuit.

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I’d be down for it! :smiley: Novation makes the best sequencers.

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The Circuit Pro already exists. They called it Circuit Mono Station :0)

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Totally.

Give me free running clips between scene switching and it’s perfect.

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That is wrong, but since I’d love to have a Mono Station I clicked the heart anyway :stuck_out_tongue:

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Eh, not quite the same! Monophonic, no sample playback. Definitely a fun machine (had one for a while for review) but not the “pro” version Id like to see.

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What makes them the best in your opinion?

Oh I’m just foolin around. I do absolutely adore my Mono Station though. Take that thing as-is and add whatever it is the newer two Circuits do and I imagine the result would be a real gamechanger.

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I know the question wasn’t for me, but I’ll take it anyway since I’m a big fan of it, as well.

The pattern, scene and project system is great. Like an Elektron sequencer, you can have tracks with different speeds and lengths. But the Circuit does one better because each track’s patterns are independent. So they can each be cued and even chained on their own. You do direct jumping between patterns on a per track basis, as well. It’s very cool.

You can also take little snapshots of your arrangements and save them as scenes and then use those to launch all of the patterns in that scene at once. And scenes themselves can be chained together. 8 patterns per track goes a long way with this system.

Like circuitghost was alluding to the only downside here is that you don’t have the option to just use the scenes to cue up each track’s patterns. So they won’t just run in parallel. This is something that I’d love to see added as an option in a new firmware. I would also love to be able to do direct jumping between scenes. Both of those seem like things you should be able to do.

On the pattern level you can also do a version of parameter locking. You even get trig preview. This is a little clunkier than parameter locking on an Elektron sequencer, especially since there’s no screen to see exact values. But it’s kind of a wash in my book just because traditional motion sequencing is a lot more straightforward on the Circuit. If I want to record myself moving the filter around on my Digitakt, I can do it. But if I want to get rid of it I’m going to be deleting a bunch of yellow trigs.

My one big gripe with the sequencer is that there aren’t enough microsteps. It works out to 24 ppqn. I wish that Novation could at least double that and or let us have swing per track like on the Models.

But finally, the projects are cool too but not quite as cool as they could be. You can directly jump from one project to another. You can also cue one project after another. The only problem with this is that, at least on the Rhythm, you can hear the transition. If they could tighten that up then it could be used for all sorts of things. I’d also like the option to have the projects just retain their original tempo instead of having them match when you move between them. And it feels like you should be able to chain them.

Another thing that’s really great about using the sequencer is the interface. On the Rhythm, you’ll have two rows up top that represent steps in the sequencer and the bottom two rows are either your samples, sample slices, or notes on a keyboard. It’s just a great system. And if Elektron ever makes a Digitakt mk2, I hope they take this. It makes it a lot easier to program melodies or lock samples to steps.

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Thanks for the detailed answer!!
Sounds like a very creative approach I must admit. :slight_smile:

Would be cool to see some kind of progress in sequencers with Elektron gear as well…

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Good write up @Doug, lotta good points. Novation should be takin notes…

I hope so. The split between the Circuit Tracks/Rhythm was disappointing, and the sampling capabilities of the Rhythm seem lackluster (then again, many hardware samplers seem very limited to me).

After the recent 2.0 update, the Roland SP-404MKII seems to do just about everything right as far as sampling capabilities go; but it doesn’t have the sequencing workflow that people seem to love about the Circuits.
A Circuit Pro with similar capabilities: stereo sampling, 32 sample polyphony, maximum sample length of 16 minutes, timestretching, chromatic playback, and all the effects, would be amazing.

But I wouldn’t want a purely sample-based device for the “Pro.”
I’d like to keep the synth engine (or see an improved one).
For sketching on-the-go, it’d be great if any of the tracks could be assigned to a sample/synth channel, and then switched to a MIDI channel when you get home - like the Deluge does.

I think you can kind-of do that already by setting the volume to 0 on the Circuit Tracks, but those tracks have more limited capabilities than the MIDI ones - and the Rhythm doesn’t have MIDI tracks at all (so no polyphonic sequencing).

As much as I’m trying to learn and like the Elektron sequencing workflow, from the outside looking in, it does seem like the Circuit’s sequencing would be a better fit for me. But maybe the grass is always greener elsewhere.

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For the record, I’ve not tried anything except the Monostation (and the Ultra Nova? Whatever their fuller sized keyboard digital synth was) but I’d love to see a new take one the Monostation. It is a never-sell piece of gear for me.

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This is true and something I’ve considered. But wouldn’t all of it in one box just be so much better and basically still as compact?

If Novation aren’t going to make a pro version and want people to buy both boxes then they could make a protective carry case for two circuits that fold out side by side. That would be neat.

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I’ve been looking for stands that at least attach them together. I’ve found a few but none great.

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