Do we actually need MAX option? I mean it’s the same as specifying nothing for the SCENE cause MAX means the normal volume parameter. They say something like “equal energy pattern” for the fade movement in the manual. However I think it is the same as specifying nothing for the MAX when you already specified MIN for the other side of SCENE. My conclusion is only MIN is meaningful, and MAX is redundant. Is it only for reference? Anyone has thought about it?
My understanding is that it affects the way the crossfader works. Using XVOL on both sides tells the crossfader to keep the overall volume level constant as you move it.
Otherwise the volume from one side would drop as the other rises.
It employs a parameter modulation curve instead of just linear… The manual goes on to say:
You want both tracks to have the curve for the desired effect…
Elektron wouldn’t just throw in 3 useless parameters…
Yeah probably you’re right. It also makes sense.
Think about it. Giving both scenes xvolume parameters makes sense, but also one can think what if giving the xvolume parameter to only one scene. Does it give the same result? It is kind of in between when logically thinking according to the manual.
I started doubting this kind of detailed stuff since I noticed the major bug in OT. Do you know when you’re sampling and then changing the sampling source, you have to do it twice. Otherwise it doesn’t take the new changed inputs. This major bug has the powerful effect on doubting other functions as well. This changes the whole story of OT. I don’t know why people don’t talk about it a lot. really.
I’d like to check it.
Could you share detailed description?
Changing the sampling source during playback or sequencer stopped?
A/B, C/D inputs or SRC3?
What do you mean ’do it twice’? Like from A to B and then back to A and back to B?
Any other operations between sampling two sources? Like Part change?
Edit:
I can sample every input, changing between them during playback.
Tried with rec trig and rec buttons.
Maybe that’s why
Hmmm
My post made sense to me when I wrote it, but now I’m thinking that having one track on a scene set to Min sort of implies you’ll have another track on the other side scene at Min, so they would both have the curve… I don’t know…
time for me then brain power…
-I’ve never had the rec source twice thingy, OS 1.25H
XVol=min means zero, XVol=max means “actual non-p-locked vol”, that’s how I understand it. I don’t understand what you mean by “another track on the other side scene”. We just p-lock values in scenes, don’t we? A track is the same track in all scenes, on “this side or the other”…
I’m talking about two scenes… Most Octatrackers on here refer to the currently selected and used scenes as the left and the right according to what Side of the fader they are on. As per the manual the description is about fading between trackS, meaning more than one.
The scenario implies if you have one track set to min on one scene, you will have another track set to min on the scene on the other side of the fader for this to work…
Ahhh… Maybe it’s so when set to max plocks on the sequencer trigs don’t interfere as scenes will override them!
Edit: Maybe not… As you can’t plock lev or dir this would only apply to xvol assuming it takes over amp vol… Will test shortly…
T1 to Xvol min and aT2 to Xvol max on side A, T1 to Xvol max and T2 to Xvol min on side B, then you crossfade between T1 and T2 regardless of the amp vol settings of either one (so you can change these without having to p-lock scenes again).
That’s how I see this.
EDIT: Because it’s in the title, you can do the same with the Xlv settings . Levels control the track output (post FX) , Volume controls the amp output (preFX). You wouldn’t want to cut reverb and echo tails when crossfading, that’s why it’s better to use Xvol
But there on the scene on one side T1 is min and on the scene on the other side T2 is min, which would be enough data for the OT to employ the curve for each track…
Without any plocks the value that Min would be raised to on the other side of the fader would be the current value set for vol. You can freely change the vol setting (equivalent to Max) without having to plock anything again…
Tested and xvol does not take over vol plocks…
Currently don’t know what Max is for…
I absolutely understand how to employ these things, they are a main part of my project in every part. Just don’t know if you really need to use Max instead of just Min…
Anyway xlv, xvol and xdir are strange words, very difficult to pronounce, and to place in a real word conversation.
Nope. You should do it twice to change the input source, otherwise OT samples the previous source. It’s the fact. You can’t deny it.
Please try to change input sources when you sample with OT. You will find out OT always samples the previous input. You have to sample twice to make the new input take effect.
When you pronounce the “X” as “cross” it becomes much more simple and understandable (cross-level, cross-volume, cross-dir).
I just wanted to meet that bug. But my unit is clear. Sampling works great no matter what source I change to and when.
Sorry bout yesterday folks, it’s a new day, back to business…
Just tested…
Had a one shot recorder with a source lock on INAB: A B, INCD set to “-” but not locked. Armed one-shot, pressed play and it recorded A B.
Stopped OT, changed INCD to C, removed INAB source lock and locked INCD… Armed one-shot, pressed play and it recorded C…
Didn’t have to do anything twice. There’s lots of ways to sample, if you give a step by step I’ll try to reproduce…
Interesting thing I found while exploring these X’s. If you have Xvol:min and your scene fully engaged, a recorder set to sample Src3:(the track with Xvol:min) will record silence. I was expecting a recording as you can sample muted tracks. Can be interesting though as you can manipulate the volume of the recording with the fader. Locking Xlev:min instead lets you sample when the track is silenced by the scene.