1010music Bluebox

Strange, I map a lot of things all the time with MIDI learn. What are you referring to exactly?

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Fiddly how? Can I drop a take on a track that is being played back? Alternatively, how quickly can I move a take from one track to another?

What Iā€™m envisioning is having a dedicated processor permanently sitting on an output and an input, and maybe using a dedicated bounce/resample track for recording the processing, then moving it back to the appropriate track. If it can do it in place, then I might skip the extra track, but either way works if itā€™s not too involved.

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his words from 1010m dev forum

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Yeesh, that blows.

yeah it sucks. I hope they change their minds in a near future and bring many features on the Bluebox that has been request it on the wish list.

You should consider the blackbox. Itā€™s the superior choice for this workflow. You can move tracks around in the bluebox but you need to switch between alternate takes and in time, youā€™ll just get tired of it. Itā€™s just not primarily meant for this kind of pipeline.

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Oof. I have a blackbox.

What itā€™s missing on the black box is the number of inputs and stuff like per-track EQ. While capable as an NLE, using it strictly in that role leaves a lot of otherwise unnecessary friction, and too little ability to meet that stageā€™s needs. Donā€™t really want to get a second one anyway, because I would be too tempted to use it as a dedicated drum sampler, and then Iā€™d be back to wondering what to put after it/them.

I get the feeling work on a bluebox update has started or will start after the current blackbox update is finalized. Maybe theyā€™ll have a beta out before I need to make a decision. I really want it to be a 1010 box because I know the sound quality is tops, the attention to detail is crazy, and the form factor is just right.

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Guys, thatā€™s the EQ type.
Read carefully you must!
I map the Bluebox EQ gains all the time.
Old video, again:

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I agree and this is my personal gripe with the bluebox. As a mixer, it already does everything right as far as Iā€™m concerned (except maybe the compressor, but that might be because Iā€™m too daft to know the details around compression anyway).

But it has opened the Pandoraā€™s daw box, and itā€™s accomplished enough in that area that you get the reverse effect of instead just appreciating that it can do recording and crude editing at all, you wish for what it could do more.

I wouldā€™ve even considered using the bluebox for full productions instead of the blackbox if it approached that area, since while I like the free-form nature of writing songs with loops and clips, I get more done with a strict linear approach. I can go from nothing to something in an hour with the OP-1 Field just because its pipeline pushes me forward, whereas I can noodle for days with the blackbox and come up with nothing.

But since Iā€™ve been also spoilt with the Fieldā€™s interesting, non-daw like features for the tape, I guess Iā€™m spoiled beyond the point where I canā€™t be pleased anymore. Currently, I use the blackbox to come up with longer takes, slices and clips of ideas that could go into a song, but right now, Iā€™m actually writing them in the Field. I get the magic of the blackbox creative workflow and processing, and I get the song writing abilities of the Field.

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Ok, thatā€™s more sensible. What about cutoff and Q? Those are the ones I really want to automate. The plan is to use another box to generate CC curves for filter sweeps.

I do kinda want to switch up the type via midi, but itā€™s really not important at all. Four bands is enough to cover all the bases as long as both cutoff and Q are also mappable, even while doing band-limiting.

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Yes, frequency and Q are midified.

Type is not.

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I kinda worry this is what theyā€™re banking onā€¦ hoping people will buy both boxes. But I see the blackbox fitting in great at the start of the chain, and blue sorta failing at its end-of-chain duties. Problem is, if you canā€™t overcome its shortcomings then itā€™s just a mixer. Okay, it records, but I have a more featureful multitrack recorder already and itā€™s just not doing the job because the workflow is unmusical.

I feel that. OP-1 had me spoiled for the longest time. Eventually the raw limits made me switch off it as the sampling centerpiece (enter blackbox), but it took years to find my stride again. The Field solves the stereo sampling problem, but only relieves the other issues a little bit. So I couldnā€™t justify even owning the Field at this point. Iā€™m too scared it will suck me into a pit again, and Iā€™m in a good place right now.

Thanks, thatā€™s a relief.

its sad canā€™t midi cc those

The Bluebox can CC map: EQ gain, EQ frequency, EQ Q factor. For each of the 4 nodes.

Yes, the EQ type cannot be changed via CC.

Just wanted to clear things up, since your posts could be misread as saying that the BB does not allow any CC control of the EQ.

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Found the thread you were screenshotting: https://forum.1010music.com/forum/products/bluebox-compact-digital-mixer-recorder/support-bluebox/33313-mapping-eq-type

Itā€™s about EQ type only. Iā€™m getting a real strong vibe youā€™re playing spoiler in bad faith, and I do not appreciate it.

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you donā€™t have to Iā€™m saying canā€™t midi cc eq type etc thatā€™s all.nothing of bad faith take care

Sure, fine. I just hope you understand my suspicion. Specific questions were asked and repeated vague answers were found to be misleading.

is ok nothing to misguide