Have anyone noticed that the Arpeggiators LEN parameter don’t have any effect above value 1. The note gate triggered will always only be one step long.
To verify, create an arp pattern (in arp setup) with only the first step active (the arp pattern will have to be longer than 1 step long to hear this of course). So lets say you have a 5 step pattern with only the first step active. Play and hold a note on the mini-keyboard to trigger the Arp. Notice that the note played by the Arp will only be 1 step long when you turn the LEN parameter above 1. If you turn it below 1 the note gets shorter (as expected).
The only exception to this is if LEN is turned all the way up (to INF). Then the notes triggered by the arp will get infinitely long (the note will be playing until the next note is triggered by the arp …as expected).
Use a sound with a short release (or no release) to hear it clearly.
So, it seems like all values between 1 and INF behaves like the value 1?
Is this a bug or am I just not getting how the LEN parameter is supposed to work?
not for me, works fine, len is entirely analogous to len for notes on a seq track, if you retrig too soon, you don’t get the length ! - try a speed of 24, anyway, check this thread out if u don’t believe me …
OK, if i slow down the arpeggiator (setting SPD to 24 for instance) it seems to work somewhat. It is still confusing tho. It seems a disabled trig on the arpeggiator pattern will cut off the gate if the LEN parameter isn’t set ti INF.
Can you try my example?
Set arp speed to 6 (same speed as the sequencer).
Make a 5 step arp pattern and disable all arpeggiator trigs except the first one (disable 2,3,4 and 5).
Set LEN to whatever value above 1 (but not INF)
Now the note played by the arpeggiator patterns first (and only) trig will only be 1 trig long whatever you set LEN to (above 1)… if you set it to 3 for instance, shouldn’t the gate be 3 trigs long?
If you set LEN to INF however the note will sustain until the next trig… as expected.
i shouldn’t have doubted you - indeed the nuance you highlight is probably more to do with the infinite len aspect being the bug more than the other way round !! if you take your example and slow it down to 48, you’ll see it does work, you can vary the length !! what you are focussed on is an anomaly, when you gate-off on the arp graphic page you overlay a zero gate with no chance to sustain across it (except via your anomaly) !So it does work if you recalibrate your expectation, it might not do what was intended, but that’s handy having a feature to mute a step in the arp pattern imho ! you can even play it !
Then why wouldn’t a “zero gate” behave the same way as in a normal sequencer pattern? As in muting the previous gate no matter how long it is? IMO it would be more flexible if a disabled trig wouldn’t mute the previous trig.
I still do believe this is a bug. A thing that (according to me) indicates this is that the default arp speed is 6. And with this default setting almost the entire range of the LEN knob has no affect at all.
Will report to Elektron and let them be the judge =)
at an arp speed of 6 the interval between the arp pattern steps is one trig, so the longest setting you can have is 1.0, if you then apply the pattern overlay, you get what you get, but you don’t get sustaining notes, if they intended the overlay mask to permit the len value to persist then it’s a bug, i suspect it is a possibility, because you can always recreate the current vibe by setting short lengths - having the lengths retained under that overlay would provide further flexibility (in the way you already get partly with inf)!
i shall thank you for pointing out a very neat trick though, whether Elektron intended this or not, with len at inf and by using the pattern overlay mask you can get some interesting things going when you disable selected arp pattern steps
i’ve got tons of it---------especially because with an Elekron you can forgot to wait for something just because the box lets you travel far away to special places =)
that’s the spirit, enjoy the loads it can do and don’t focus on the few things it can’t … currently ! if you think you’ve exhausted this machine then it’s just because you’ve not dug deep enough yet !!
And since 2009 i know how Elektron boxes develop…and how they let you to develop yourself…they are living being, imo, and I love the fact that dealing with them is like Communicating!
About the LEN parameter…
I see this like a way to let long notes to stay there with the ARP transition trick…
Don’t know yet if it’s a bug…like reported above.
Still I have to try it more and more,as for every single other parameter in there
uhh… was a bug fixed back then or is it still borked 8 years on? the arp legato is useable if certain things are set first, but this length issue seems to still be present in 1.50
I can’t check right now, but from memory I thought the length was working correctly…
The legato is a weird one, not exactly sure on the intended use tbh.
But I have got it to work I think by making sure envelopes etc are correct.
I really wish u could plock the len on the arp…
