A4 : change arp notes without retriggering the arp?

Elektron Gear Analog Keys/Four
#1

I’ve tried putting a trigless lock (locking the note offsets) in the middle of a long arpeggiated note, but it has no effect.
If I use a regular trig, it will reset the arp pattern.
Any help ?

#2

you can trigless-lock the osc pitch?

#3

That’s not what I want to do. I want to modify the notes produced by the arp, without retriggering the arp.
If you preview a trigless lock with different notes, you can hear the melody changes, but it’s ignored while playing.

#4

i know what you want. not possible as far as i know. changing the osc pitch mid-arp is the only way i know of to have an effect on the arp’s pitch without retriggering the arp.

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#5

it’s certainly a kick in the nuts that it works with trig+yes though

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#6

I think Trig + Yes makes trigless behave as trigs, like on several (all?) Elektrons.

#7

yea, which in this case makes it a real tease that it could work that way but doesn’t.

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#8

I am indeed super frustrated. That would be so nice, so expressive. Keep the “wave” of the arp, but change its “content”. This, and conditions on the trigless trigs would allow super organic sequences.

#9

What about OT’s arp ? (unless you prefer to use A4 standalone :wink:)

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#10

Well, I was trying to focus on the A4…That said, and thanks to you, my A4 Midi in just lost its virginity.
But it appears that the OT’s Arp behaves the same : if you put a trigless trig (well… FUNC+Trig), it doesn’t do anything.

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#11

I don’t think even OT’s arp can do this, if I’m understanding correctly. Indeed, it would be a really nice feature to change up the arpeggio’s harmonic content without interrupting the rhythmic flow. That said, on the OT you can at least lock speed, range, and I believe note length.

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#12

It does something on most of parameters, including transpose, length, speed, but it doesn’t change notes indeed.

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#13

I’d consider it like a bug in both cases.
Edit : by ‘both cases’ I mean for the A4 and the OT.

#14

I suppose that with external midi, if a note is held, other notes can be changed without retrigging…

#15

You mean external midi input into the OT/A4 ?

#16

Instead of sending arp from OT to A4, you can send an held note, and add variations to 3 others without retrigging A4’s arp, as long as first note is held.

Not sure if it will help you, personally I have an external synced to beat midi arp, so I’m fine.

#17

maybe it’s worth contacting support about this - as you say, might be a bug?
it feels like it should be possible to trigless-lock the arp’s 2nd/3rd/4th notes without retriggering the initial ‘root’ chord.

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#18

I will. Tomorrow!

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#19

I submitted a support ticket, let’s see what they answer.

#20

Answer from Elektron. As always, very informative and honest : (hope they don’t mind me posting it)

"Whenever there is a trigless lock, that lock is effective until the next trig. The issue here is that the next trig is not equivalent to the next trig in the sequencer. The next trig is basically the next note event. Since the arpeggiator is a note processor, it will continuously produce new note events, effectively killing the trigless locks almost immediately. This is how it was designed, but we will investigate the possibilities for improving the behavior. We understand that it might seem like a bug from a user perspective.’

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