Delay feedback over 100 value is like, a serious risk to hearing loss. you need to add a volume limiter to the feedback so it doesn’t cause it to get 10x louder or remove the ability to have positive value gain entirely so people don’t lose their hearing and launch a giant lawsuit on you. I understand that it’s a good effect, and like I said, if there was a limiter on the volume of the gain, so it still had that infinite repeating effect without drastically increasing in volume, I would have no objection to it being on the device.
Just be careful, everyone knows that high delay feedback with many delay units is dangerous and you have to watch out when pushing it if you’re trying to ride that self-oscillation edge.
Elektron Delay is strange- starting to oscillate at 50% and volume increase so fast, feels a bit like unfinished thing… sometimes I use it with Max feedback and volume down for some noise sounds, but still including limiter would b useful
Unfinished???
Any idea how excellent it is for a digital reverb to go into this kind of distortion and break up with so much character…?
I think they are excellent, and make a great effect when pushed…its great to have the choice but be smart…i mean i wouldn’t plug my headphone out into the audio input of my AR and crank it on a 1K system for the same reason…i mean i have the choice but I’m smart enough to not do it…
it’s not really a personal issue with me because I’m aware, but it’s kind of insane how loud this thing can get, like I just tested it out. I could see a lot of people who’s first steps into music production are with this unit and just being totally destroyed by it. like, on the A4 I think there’s a delay patch I use where I have a lfo assigned to the delay feedback so it goes into the positive values for a short period of time, or at least I experimented with it at some point, so I would like to keep it myself, but yeah.
if it had a limiter on it you would still get distortion it just wouldn’t get as loud
I know what you’re saying but still, everyone learns about this at one point or another and it’s better to have it there. We’ve all had the experience where we tear headphones off in a panic and then we know.
And yet there are 0 reports of people complaining about it having hurt their ears, or worse, having caused hearing loss (afaik).
You can do the same on any elektron box and a limiter or capping it would severely affect the sound in a negative way. With sound design you always have to be aware of what is going on. What to think of microphone feedback? Do we need a standard hevay limiter on every sound system with a max volume level that doesn’t exceed 90db, because someone might point a mic at a speaker while turning the gain to 11?
It’s also stated in the manual:
10.2.2 DEL FEEDBACK 1 Delay Feedback sets the amount of delay output signal to feed back into the input of the delay. With higher parameter settings, infinite and/or swelling delays are possible. Please be aware that high feedback can lead to a very loud signal. (0–198)
Besides that there’s the matter of time. Hearing loss will occur when you are exposed to a loud signal for a certain amount of time depending on the amount of dB. In the case you push it too far and it suddenly becomes way too loud, the time to respond by throwing off one’s headphone or closing the fader of the mixer, should be well within the limits. Unless you are jamming with a gigantic function 1 system in your home.
Please don’t.
You have found out it makes a ‘uncomfortable noise’ at certain settings… so don’t go setting it that way and play safe.
This has happened before about 10 years ago with the Octatrack and its Flanger…
Now initially the flanger could get proper messed up - it was ace! But at certain settings it could oscillate into ‘an uncomfortable noise’
A lawsuit was issued and the flanger was tamed.
Safe Boring World
…well…it’s pro gear…and as. pro u know…most of the time…but nope…not really…
aaaand many people are not pro’s and actually are experiencing THAT risky selfresonating delay feedback for their first time…
i really should know better but still, when i had the a4 only since a few days, i had it already on stage with me…and had to find out about that delay…and it’s selfresonating feedback on a selfresonating sound…on pa!..in front of an audience…
can’t remember any other situation EVER, were i was that shocked and panicing full on…
since i was not used to a4’s bigger push encoder and page layout, could’nt find the right knob to do something about the sheer sonic terror that was building up and UP and UP!!! i had to pull it’s power supply to finally make it shut up…puh…yup it was that devastating…
all manuals clearly state a warning on this…
but that warning can’t be mentioned often enough…
truu feedback delay…on the a4 in particular, can be a KILLER…for soundsystems and ears for real…!
so alwys be aware ot that…once u make ur delays go for selfresonating feedbax u better keep ur hand close to that feedback knob…
no big problem on the models…but on all others u might jumped to a different page already and ur feedback knob is not ur feedback knob anymore…so train ur musclememory…train ur musclememory…to make sure, even in panic mode, ur able to stay cool and are capable to TAME THE SONIC MONSTER…
Ride the lightning…
True Cuckoo said about this in his Mega Tutorial. He said if it starts to feedback too much hold function and turn Delay down. Pretty straight forward although if you don’t know it can be quite a panic situation . I did it once with RE-20 Space Echo Pedal (was a little munted at the time) and totally freaked me out. Always good to know how to stop things getting away from you.
With great power comes a big loud noise.
I want my super OT flanger now didnt know about that and have often wanted more from it
It’s not that dangerous…
Or am I missing something here ?
Seriously though… it’s not like the damn thing has infinite voltage outputs…
That sounds bretty good actually. Short burst of that could lead nicely into a drop
Not enough noise to my taste but yeah… still useful from time to time. It’s even better on the Digis: use the hi-pass and lo-pass limits, raise the feedback, do a bandwith sweep, enjoy the crunchiness.
good to hear I’ve got a DT en route
Very much this dude!
Ah ! You loose the immediacy of all the MS encoders but you gain so much more possibilities…