Digitone cc problem

Hello, I’m using digitone with octatrack mk2. Octatrack is only sending midi cc messages. I have made few patterns but problem came very soon. On pattern 2 I have made filter sweep for track 3 on digitone (octatrack controlled), next pattern filter is fully closed and I really like those effect tails. It sounds OK for first A2->A3 transition, but when I move back from pattern A3 (A3-A2), A2 filter sweep doesnt effect the sound like first time, also pattern A3 starts sound with filter opened. Do you guys have any idea what causes the problem? Already spent like hours and hours to figure it out, no luck atm.

Any advice is appriciated,
M.

on that A3 pattern, did you lock the filter position to anything on the first step of the Octatrack?

if not, try if that solves your problem.

I have found that is is good practice to always lock a modulated parameter to a “default” value so on every playback, you get repeatable/identical results.

@xenosapien yes I did, not just that, also I put all triggles trigs with value 1 before filter cutoff starts-same problem. Yes I always parameter lock on every step.
Also, i have connected both machine bidirectional way, OT out-DT in, DT-in OT-out so everything is in sync. Two patterns on digitone filter position is always like left and saved, on third pattern i set filter cut off on value 1 (closed) but somehow like it resets itself.
On octatrack there is nothing else on midi channel 3, I triple checked everything.

why the “bidirectional” MIDI connections? that is not really necessary… you might be having problems because the DT is possibly sending CC commands back or so…

also, I remember that there was a slight issue with the “order” of MIDI commands being sent by the Octatrack, and for some applications it was necessary to “shift” the very first PLOCK on the OT “forward” in time via Micro-Timing…

-> hold the step in question and “nudge” it to the ‘left’ (negative offset) by a tiny amount by pressing the “arrow left” button while holding the p-locked step

this causes the OT to send the MIDI information a tiny fraction of time before the other MIDI commands happening at that time and in some (!) cases that can help with certain MIDI problems.

as for sync, just sending MIDI clock + start/stop messages out from the Octatrack into the Digitone should be more than enough.
no need to send anything back from the DT to the OT.

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Ok, I will disconnect DT out, erase pattern 3 and rebuild it again, maybe there is some midi loop information going on. Will post my progress here.

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here are configurations of both machined,maybe I’m missing something


here is video demonstration what is going on
https://youtu.be/aWoGYkqtxxM
First two patterns sounds fine,but when I go back from start there is something wrong with the sounds,its not the same.
here is list what I have tried so far:

disconnected DT midi out,only 8track midi out now
set first trigless trig to different microtiming in negative position
cleared all patterns not used midi channels
tried different trigless trig values
changed different patch
copied pattern to another location
Ramdomly turning on and off settings on 8track

DT is sequenced by itself,only sending midi cc from 8track. when I change patterns from DT everything is normal so I guess its octatrack problem not digitone.
After all tried I notice only 1 step duration wrong filter timing,before it was even worse.

Are the patterns in defferent parts on the OT? Think that the midi cc values are only refreshed when changing patterns if the part is changed as well

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@mkdsl everything on same part

and that, my good sir, could be your issue. try putting the patterns on different parts.

Not even thinking about your specific issue but just looking at your midi config it seems very prone for some odd behavior.

Looks like you got DN set to output encoder, trig key, and mute midi data of the active track on auto channel 16 and OT set to receive CC and notes with its auto channel set to 16 which controls its active track. To make it weirder with cc direct connect activated the OT will echo back any midi data sent to its auto channel back out its midi out…

Vice versa you have OT audio CC out (knobs) and audio note out (trigs) sending midi on channels 1-8 depending on what track your on and DN set to respond to channels 1-4.

To clear things up I’d set everything on both devices that says “int+ext” to “int”, this will prevent knobs and trigs from sending midi from the audio side of both devices but won’t interfere with the midi sequencers. If your not controlling OT from DN midi sequencer than uncheck “recieve cc” and “recieve notes” to prevent accidental control.

If this doesn’t fix your problem it should at least fix one that was going to happen or another one you didn’t know you had… :smile:

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