I want microtiming to be able to nudge over to the next trig, moving other trigs around when it’s necessary and possible.
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An option in the sound setup menu to choose whether the X-Y outputs be either:
- both panned center (like the current implementation)
or - X panned hard L and Y panned hard R
A small detail that might enhance the stereo width of a few sounds.
(No, I don’t like the built-in chorus.)
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This is something I think all elektron machines could benefit from.
I would like to see the FUNC button be midi controllable. I primarily perform live with my Elektron boxes and would like to be able to assign this to a foot switch to free up my hands to be able to do more on stage.
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If the DT got machines, let’s get some for the DN. Virtual analog and / or wavetable to start. Nothing the box can’t do, just new GUIs to wrap them for non-FM sound generation.
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Hoping for this as well, and if not, I am sure Elektron will give us something that is equally awesome.
Developers love to hear the word “just” for hard work 
However, I like the idea!
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The thing is already secretly a VA thanks to the filters. Half the tutorials out there are “treat this thing like a VA, use FM to add partials.”
But wavetables. Forget some kinda machine, plug those wavetables directly into the operators. Now you have wavetable, VA and FM all (near) perfectly integrated. We’ve even got four empty knob slots on syn1 page 2 for waveform selectors, ready to go.
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Yeah, like opsix, which has algo where all operators are carriers (making it a 6-oscillator VA) and all of them (regardless of algo) have a whole bunch of waveforms to select from besides basic sine. So simple yet flexible solution. If it also had wavetables (and especially option to load your own) it would be perfect. Imagine if Digitone could do this, even with “only” 4 ops…
But in any case, I think at least it absolutely needs polyphonic swarm machine 
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DX-11 and the other Yamaha 4-Op box versions had multiple waveform options per operator 35 years ago, would be a nice add to Digitone, along with the pitch envelope. more/new Algos too
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I would like to be able to have the operators from one track to modulate the other track’s operators, so to have the sound of track1 modulate track2 or the other way around.
Another LFO would be huge.
More algorithms, maybe even customizable (one can dream)
FX track to sequence reverb, delay and chorus
Slide trigs
A compressor like the Digitakt one would also be awesome
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Yep, alt waveforms are FM canon. I wouldn’t mind custom tables, with Hydrasynth style interpolation between waveforms, but even limiting to just the stuff that Yamaha has put into hardware plus saws (unless they did those too) would go a long way.
I mention saw specifically because I don’t think it’s seen as harmonically useful (as a modulator) but people have done interesting things with it nonetheless. You’d probably want to support fixed frequency operators (mapped to mod wheel, velocity or lfo) too for a proper dubstep bass if that’s your jam.
I think there are certain issues using sharp waveforms as modulators with normal bitrate DSP. I think it becomes a battle with aliasing when you start adding lots of high harmonics to the modulator. But I don’t know for sure. I think that has something to do with why the waveforms are all fairly smooth. I have been playing with analog TZFM and saw definitely works as a modulator there, not too crazy or anything.
Yeah, I think you’re right about aliasing. I suspect it’s more about the harmonic content of the modulator than sharpness, just going by the TX81Z waveforms. One of them looks pretty sharp, but harmonically simple. Still looks like it should alias but maybe it’s not as bad?
Speaking of aliasing, I wish there was a way to intentionally introduce it better. With the usual FM AA techniques you basically don’t hear it until it the game is so completely lost that the keyboard is not even descending where it should ascend, but playing random notes.
This is a result of multiple reflections about Nyquist and 0Hz. (And of course half the notes are basically just dead because they’re above the AA cutoff but below Nyquist.) I don’t know what the answer is, maybe AA filter cutoff, slope/q, or just a wet/dry control (but that implies parallel or crossover filtering and don’t get me started on phase characteristics.)
What kind of setup? One thing about analog is filtering doesn’t need oversampling to manage aliasing, and the signal is almost certain to find a band-limiting filter somewhere before you hear it. Usually there will be one in front of an amplifier or ADC somewhere if nothing else.
Yeah, I have been working on an analog oscillator and filter design. The oscillator is heavily influenced by the digitone, but in analog, with ratios, TZFM, feedback, and a variable waveshaper that can do all the classic analog shapes. Using saw and square waves definitely gives it a bit of crunch, not unlike turning the feedback up about halfway on the digitone, but it still sounds great, and is actually a pretty good way to get away from the toy like sound the FM can have. And you are right about aliasing and analog, it is really nice not having to worry about it at all since your audio interface will take care of the band limiting.
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I had a Dkeys for a while and now missing the Hold button on the module version. Was there any update for this or setting added at some point? I know about the trig cond methods etc but a quick toggle somewhere would be nice.
Scale lock in Arp mode
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actually, bit crush effect would be nice
@Elektron
Ofcourse i entered the recent Elektron questionaire / survey, hoping to get lucky
I pitched some ideas when the question arose, but ofcourse more ideas followed quicky after it was closed, and therefore turning to the forum and Digitone Feature requests again 
WAVETABLE PTN ARP (‘WAVY’)
I would like the DigiTone to have a wavetable menu (just like step programming a pattern and save it as a Subroutine instrument)
(1) BUILD PLAYABLE PTN SEQUENCES
like the good old c64 ! build a 16 step pattern sequence, somewhat like an ARP, but moreover a sequence like you would program a normal pattern. Be able to lock step tuning: So e.g. locking the kick, snare, perc and such, but not the bass/synth notes.
This custom wavetable is like an instrument, you play it. (transpose) It can be retriggered to start on the ‘one’ each time a new note is played, or it will playthrough the pattern until it reaches the last step (step 16) while transposing the desired note pitch on every note entry. (the locked trigs don’t transpose)
So basically it is 16 step single track PTN you can convert/save as an ARP/WT subroutine/instrument (maybe 4-8 WT subroutine slot limitation per project to keep room for other possible lovely future OS updates)
Just like an ARP table, you can choose the speed (but keep it: half tempo, 2x, or 4x)
You can also use the WaveTable Subroutine to do some c64 tune tricks: like build a fast solo or do fast retrigger rolls / drum accents
(2) BUILD CRAZY INSTRUMENTS
A WaveTable can also build sounds, like the c64 used to do (+ using transpose to play it like a regular intrument) e.g. An instrument on the c64 would consist of a few waveform parts/sounds that quickly played in sequence, faking e.g. a bass + kick by adding a short noise/click in front of the bass part. e.g. like you would build a kick/snare: Knock, Beef, Tail. (smart folks developed these workarounds to overcome the 3 voice/track limitation and basic waveform sounds of the SiD chip, building more interesting sounding instruments (eg have a bassline sequence with drum accents or fancy modulation tricks ! ‘sid wobbles’ anyone?) modern wavetable synths emulated this and ofcourse expanded heavily upon this oldskool concept beyond recognition of its origins. It was a fairly common trick in music on other game consoles like the Nintendo as well like most chipsters will know already - duh!
@elektron pls we also need that basic FM synthesis + basic waveforms as a carrier signal (like i have been requesting before )
WOOHOO MONOMACHINE !!!
But since finally salvaging and reverse engineering alien monomachine tech, amongst things (like most recent DT Machine upgrades) adding the SiD emu as a ‘machine’ to the Digitone would be f*n sweet !!! (my personal wet dream)
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I also thought it would be nice to extend Elektron hardware with iOS apps.
The DT loopcloud quick transfer connection you guys came up with is a very very nice addon!!!
But i was thinking more like:
Custom ‘OSC’ like midicontroller apps:
x y pad, buttons, triggers, additional LFO’s/movement/trigger sequences that can be assigned to eg 32 virtual rotary knobs?
Each knob can be assigned a preferred CC parameter for quick access under the hood without having to go through the menues by using hardware button combinations e.g. in a Live Setup environment
Four button switches to quickly select which track menu (T1-T4) is to be adressed?
(four dedicated controller tabs?)
Also thinking there could be a PTN launch (cliplaunch) page in an ableton-like matrix/rasterline fashion?
(would be nice if this could be independent of the chosen/pattern as well, meaning:
T1 playing BNK1, PTN
T2 playing BNK x, PTN x
etc (meaning independent of the Track lane)
You can use the T1-T4 button colors as lanes (i could make you some sketches of the GUi and different menu’s as i imagine it could work) Or drag and drop by sliding a selected PTN stem onto one if the four slots (DECKS) currently playing (on a row at the bottom?) The PTN will start playing on the ‘one’ after finishing its last step, and override the prior pattern loaded to that slot (4xSlots: T1-T4)
Maybe have a digital CROSSFADER slider between e.g. T1/T2 and T3/T4
(basic volume override like the normally independent track control on the master page)
SOUNDDESIGN
Also nice to do some sound design morphing: have 4 slightky different variations of the same sound, with some minor detuning (basic supersaw minus the widening?) All tracklanes playing the same pattern, and then have the X Y pad morph the Track volume + filter?
Also a RECORD session button so you can replay asession like a SONG and perhaps save it as well or PRINT it into an empty song slot on the DN (into the project)
I also liked the Elk-Herd third party app to organise DT projects when i still owned one
(to my dismay sold in a temporary lapse of judgement)
So i was thinking, an additional menu page in the app where you can COPY a PTN or PTN TRACK stem part and temporarily store it with all its parameters. Then open up another PROJECT and PRINT it to an empty slot, or overwrite (reorganising cross project PTNs/BNKs)
Or maybe have this page storing a set amount of desired COPIED patterns (memory slots) Import from any project and then arrange a SONG this way?
(ofcourse total amount of memory slots being limited to 512 (8x16x4 banks,patterns,tracks)
So like an external PTN builder/arranger sequencer on a per project basis
SETUP an empty project and WRITE/PRINT the PTNs back into the DN
An external drag n drop slots SONG arrangement editor page? - PRINT to song slot on DN
Afterwards record automation directly on top by using the custom OSC controller app, with the nice X Y pads, rotary knobs, sliders, etc
ALSO nice maybe
An app to do some more controlled RANDOMISATION of the target instrument parameters?
Like a dedicated page/parameter list where you can set/lock the target RANGE values (min/max) & percentage of chance for randomisation per parameter, or lock it from being changed by ticking a checkbox. Then click the button and save when hitting the ultimate preset jackpot.
Maybe it can also be connected to an online preset sharing database where you can instantly grab/share/download/upload from within the app, and ofcourse transfer/save to the DN
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I was thinking maybe do a dedicated iOS plugin, external effects modulation of sorts to extend the hardware, since audio being class compliant?..
(Maybe you can ask your old colleague and friend @Ess, to build you some nice expansions APP/plugins with his lovely new company FORS, awesome M4L stuff!!!)
Cheers all, and thanks again !
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Please no extension with iOS apps, I don’t work on hardware devices to be constrained to use a smartphone to get the full potential of my machines…
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It’s 2023 and I still never owned a smartphone!
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