Expressive E Osmose

yes , you can create presets from scratch.

not sure what you mean by this…
all the features of the Eagan Matrix are available to you with the Osmose.
(except audio input, as there’s no audio input on the Osmose)

the main thing to note, is that the Y axis is different on the Osmose compared to the Continuum.
so if you take an existing Continuum preset, you’d want to ‘adapt’ it, though frankly, this would be true anyway, as every surface reacts differently…
… and this is one of the key elements of the EM, its designed, to really respond to a surface… this is where the magic happens that few other synth engines can match. this is why EE chose to partner with Haken for the engine.

Perfect!
I misread your earlier (and possibly others’) statements and thought the Osmose was missing other features that the Haken instruments have.
This is great news! I’m going to take the plunge soon.

Cheers!

Yeah, sorry… I meant the internal audio processing.

Back to an earlier comment, I actually am considering this as an only synth (though not my first by a long shot). I primarily play guitar, but love synthesis and would use this in drum / bass / guitar / synth recording ensembles. I have a Linnstrument and enjoy the expressiveness, but I prefer an instrument to a soft synth (yes, I realize this is a softsynth in a box…)

That was certainly my hope.

Thanks for the input fellas. Cheers!

… is the Osmose missing the Y axis (forward and back)?

I didn’t think the Osmose had a Y axis… (though looking at the EaganMatrix leads one to believe that it must have)… What gesture (if not forward and back motion) produces Y axis information on the Osmose?

Isn’t that Aftertouch / Pressure (Z)?

If not, does mean there are essentially 3 “levels” (or aspects) of downward key travel?

Sorry… I’m really not as dumb as this sounds… :joy:

Nope, Z (press) comes first, then Y (AT) on the Osmose. There are actually 5 levels of vertical travel: velocity (“tap”), press (Z), AT (Y), release velocity and, thanks to Osmose’s implementation of Y, there is a zone in between Z and Y where you can “shake” the key up and down, that is it sort of touches the beginning of Y, pretty cool.

Also, many original EM Continuum presets (available in the Continuum folder of the Editor) sound great out of the box on the Osmose, despite the completely different implementation of Y and the lack of a continuous X. Not all of those presets make use of all of the dimensions though and a few don’t appear to sound at all. However, there is literally years of discovery and exploration in there.

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Given the powerful DSP needed to run the EM, the category “softsynth in a box” doesn’t do it justice IMO :slight_smile:

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Thanks for the description! Now I am more stoked about getting my hands on one.

Oh, I agree 100%. I’ve just spent too long on GearSlutz where you need to proactively make statements to discourage the 5 trolls who want to tell you why you’re “stoopid”. :smile: Sure…. Every digital synth is essentially a “softsynth in a box”… but a lot of times, the box is worth having (Osmose, Hydrasynth, Montage, many others).

Thanks again.

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The 2020 video from UVI where they used Osmose to play their IRCAM solo instruments library is truly astonishing. Do we know if they’re sharing the setup for it now Osmose is shipping?

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Yes but with mpe instruments it looks like a lot of the usability is down to specific configurations that are carefully built to play to the strengths of each hardware interface. There’s lots of chat above about this, and tweaking software. So it would be great to be able to access the specific config used in the video.

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amazing how finished the Osmose already looks in this video

Played one today at perfect circuit. Really fun and easy to play! Sounded great! I’m not a keys player at all and I thought it was really cool.

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I still hadn’t placed the preorder but that video right there pushed me over the edge. Pre order placed. And now the waiting game…

Mostly Percussive presets.
This thing sounds as organic as any synth I’ve ever heard.

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Yes, I am as impressed wit the EM engine as I am with the new key bed to be honest- but its the way they integrate that is the magic.

The MPE+ mode in the VCV Rack module moDllz should now be fixed in the latest version that is available, 2.1.2.

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Has anyone done a MIDI recording with the Osmose? I’m wondering how recording MIDI (and later editing MIDI tracks) works with what I presume to be a lot more data in the “MIDI Stream”… For example, if you record a C2 with some vibrato, then later transpose it to a G2, will it work as you’d expect? This may be a dumb question.

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FYI I updated the eaganmatrix firmware without a problem when I connected Osmose to the max editor. It asked to update firmware file 2.

Took a while though!

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I think some of this depends upon which daw you are using… and if it supports MPE, and how well it’s implemented.

I’ve used Live 11 and Bitwig (and quite a time back Cubase) and didn’t really have any (technical) issues. (though as below, I dont use it that much !)

as (current versions of ) Bitwig and Live have MPE support you can indeed transpose notes, as they attach the modulations (X/Y/Z) to the note.

I personally would avoid using MPE+, not only is it more data, but Bitwig/Live has not been developed with these in mind… so Im pretty sure they will not handle it properly.
(and indeed, I know that you have to take out some dubious messages to make it work at all)

now this will reduce the ‘accuracy’ of the data, taking it from 14 bit to 7bit, but given form factor of Osmose, I personally don’t think this is an issue (due to relatively short travel, compared to continuum) - and Ive been fine with this in the past.


that said, as Ive stated many times here, and elsewhere…
personally I rarely bother with midi/mpe, I much prefer to record audio.

yes, I know WHY you might want to record midi, I dont deny the advantages, but FOR ME, currently the hassle outweighs the advantages.
so I only use MPE to control mpe enabled synths (like Madrona Labs Aalto), and even those, I still record the audio!

why don’t I do mpe recording?
even normal midi note editing is pretty tedious…
but, even with a decent MPE implementation in your daw,
there is just so much data from MPE its beyond tedious, so I never will edit the mpe.

also in my mind there is a fundamental issue…
the advantage of midi (over audio) is the ability to change the sound / preset later.
in my experience that does not work too well for expressive controllers.
why?
because your (expressive) playing is tightly linked to what you are hearing, you are ‘performing’ in a feedback loop - so you modulations wont transfer well to another preset.

put another way, if I played on a regular keyboard , and then changed the preset.
whilst the notes might work well on a different preset, Id almost certainly have to change the modulation lanes.

but , this is a very personal choice… its not that I cannot record MPE, its I choose not too.
(I say personal, however, I know a lot of players with different expressive controllers, and almost all of them, for the most part, record audio, rather than midi/mpe)

of course, if you are working in a pro studio with clients, and so need recall, re-playability.
you might not have the luxury of this choice… time is money :slight_smile:


anyway, the tech is fine, in my experience … dont worry too much about data rates etc.
it works, many of us have been using expressive controllers for quite a few years, both before and after mpe introduction…
and frankly, my Osmose doesnt spit any more data than my Eigenharp, likely much less :wink:

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If you own an Apple device, you could try uwyn’s (aka Geert Bevin) MIDI Tape Recorder - it is a free AU(v3) and the coffee button is enabled. It records and plays back MPE with utmost precision, has no editing features whatsoever but allows up to 4-track recording, each one MPE or not.

Regarding the use case of MPE recording, editing is probably not what you want, too much data that are linked between each other in some way. Switching presets depends on the nature of those presets. Nevertheless, sometimes you want to decide about the preset’s own effects and sound design at a later stage because you don’t know yet what you want. MTR is perfect for this.

MPE is an agreed upon standard and MPE+ is Haken Audio’s own extension to it, given the huge resolution of its Continuum surface: MPE+ — Haken Audio . Not sure how the resolution of Osmose’s controller compares. The great thing about MPE+ is that it is backwards compatible with MPE, as explained in their article. So I’d assume that you could have it set to MPE+ all the time. To be tested …