Live, elektron + synths, café

So I’m working on this little ambient/electronic/rythmic act with Octatrack and a Prophet 08 synth, which I find a pretty good setup.

So the idea was to take this live at some point, probably more evening cafe/bar type crowd, no real dancing beats at this point.

So how do I pull this off - obviously with the octa, arpeggiators and midi sequencing is a part of what I do - and in a live setting, this might come off slightly boring performance wise.

How do you test out the set before going live? Eg, if its the very first time - avoiding a big failure.
How can you make sure the sound (more in terms of eq’ing/rumbling, etc) works well in a venue?
What should the performer be focusing on while … performing… Eg do you intentional not use arrange/song mode to switch things up on the fly? do people really notice?

Guess I want to avoid the newbie mistakes…if possible

Have you practiced enough for this? Firstly I would feel confident having practiced enough…

Does the venue have a PA? If so will they let you sound check I am not sure this will matter a whole lot as I imagine the overall levels will be low for the customers to internet read and what not… No PA then you will have to rent…
I would not be too stressed about eq’g the room and so forth due to the venue…

You are going to make mistakes and the key is not to let others know by making a big deal of it… Playing the first time you will be nervous and that is natural have a beer or glass of wine before hand to mellow the nerves…

Bring spare cables audio, midi, power bar, extension lead, and various adapters… Also record your set for analysis and for your cv…

Here are some other tips from livepa.org

The Art of Performing Live Electronic Music by Sneakthief

[color=white]Preface

Please remember, the art of playing live is about being cool-headed when things don’t go the way you expect it. Try to take everything in stride, and for god’s sake, never panic.

The most hard-won piece of advice that I have right after you perform DO NOT CRITICIZE YOUR SET IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE. If you must, save the self-deprecation for another day and only for your closest friends.

Why?

First of all, most of the “mistakes” made while performing will only be noticed by you. If someone thinks that you played fine, and then you start telling them about all of the fuckups, it can change their perception of your performance in a negative way. Your confidence and self-assurance plays an important role in how your music will be received.

The truth is, there will always be things going wrong - e.g. gear fuckups, bad cables, bad sound, audio glitches, police, people trying to talk you or hit on you, etc… live performance is about Having the confidence to overcome such difficulties and play your music as best as you can.

Although it may look impressive to haul a lot of gear, what really matters is what you do with it. Having more gear means having more things to go wrong. So think twice about bringing your whole studio for your next life gig.

Studios are like laboratories - they’re usually safe and controlled environment that you’re familiar with. The minute you drag your equipment somewhere else, you introduce all sorts of weird variables including

-power fluctuations
-low lighting
-heat/cold
-humidity
-dust
-strange sound system setups with weird cabling
-spilled liquids
-intoxicated/obnoxious/distracting party goers
-lots of bass to rattle wires, connections and hard drives

As such, I prefer taking less gear rather than more. It also helps to really know your equipment inside and out.

[color=white]Live PA Checklist [color=white]- (this list has been compiled thanks to helpful suggestions from those on the livepa.org, EM411.com, and the now-defunct Moving-Parts & Topica livePA mailing lists)

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[li]Ask beforehand about the setup if possible and don’t forget to make your needs very clear. I highly recommend printing out a simple rider that spells out exactly what you require - some promoters might forget that you need power connectors, table space, an audio input into the sound system, etc. (Note: to prevent power issues and line noise, avoid going on the same electrical circuit as the discolights/fogmachine/etc.)
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[li]Make an equipment checklist and use it before every show. It’s so easy to forget one little thing that will prevent you from playing. Having your own power bar is essential if you need more than one outlet and always bring duct tape).
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[li]Don’t be afraid of writing down a listing of all the tracks you have - that way, if you’re doing any kind of spontaneous transitions, you can quickly choose what you might want to play next. (and NO, I don’t necessarily mean a pre-planned set list). Also consider making notes for patch numbers and changes, volume levels, or anything else that’s essential to your live workflow.
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[li]Know ALL your cable connections inside and out. Check your cables beforehand and make sure they’re all working… even midi cables go bad, and when they do it can be very frustrating because you might not think to check the cable when midi data isn’t being transmitted properly.
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[li]Mark your cables with coloured tape or label-tiewraps (so you know what goes where). Don’t forget the duct tape!
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[li]Bring a flashlight - lighting conditions can vary and chances are you will need one.
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[li]Bring many different types of extra connectors because you never know what kind of audio inputs/cables the venue will have. If you’re using a laptop, you might want to also bring a power connector that removes the ground (aka a ground lift) - this can help get rid of grounding problems (50/60Hz hum).
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[li]Consider putting a compressor/limiter on your final mix (see section below on [color=white]Compression/Limiting for more info)- it comes in handy for sounds that get a little out of control. Remember, records have gone through a whole mastering process and will generally deliver a consistent volume range, whereas live sound can have some pretty crazy dynamics (but try not to squash your mix if you limit/compress it). Some cheap compressor/limiters: DBX 166, Behringer Multicom Pro, SYMETRIX 501, YAMAHA- GC2020B, ASHLY Model CG85E, ASHLY Model CG85E, DBX 266, ALESIS: CLX-440, 3630, ALTO CLE2.0, etc.
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[li]A monitor is necessary, or at least headphones. You will find that listening to both will help give you a better idea of what’s being heard on the dancefloor. Nevertheless, what you hear from the monitor speakers is NOT what the people hear on the dancefloor.
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[li]Soundcheck! If you are fortunate enough to have the opportunity to setup your equipment before the event starts, take some time to LISTEN TO YOUR SET ON THE DANCEFLOOR! This is essential, even if you don’t get a soundcheck, run out onto the dancefloor when you first start playing so you can get an idea of how everything sounds. Resources on soundchecking and live sound:
[color=white]http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemusic/performing/soundcheckp01.shtml
[color=white]http://www.roadie.net/
[color=white]http://www.jeepjazz.com/handbk.html
[color=white]http://www.digitalmusicworld.com/html/hardware/KarlsProduction/Mus_Pro_BasEquipLSound.php
[color=white]http://www.bobbrozman.com/soundhints.html
[color=white]http://personalpages.tds.net/~rpmccabe/AcousticsLinks.htm
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[li]If the room sounds bad, a 10, 20 or 30 band eq will allow you to compensate for it. every room has a resonant frequency that may detract from your sound - Not to mention, all sound systems are eq’d differently.
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[li]Be friendly to whoever is doing sound because they can make or break your set through carelessness or malice. A good sound engineer will let you know if you’re running a signal that’s too high or too low, and will also be on duty to make sure that the sound system levels are staying consistent. A lazy or unfriendly sound engineer won’t give a damn if your set sounds like crap because your output is clipping and the limiters are squashing your set. If people are running away from the dancefloor, then you better check and see if you’re killing them with unfriendly mid-high frequencies, clipping or distortion.
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[li]If there isn’t a sound engineer, you can try to find someone who’s sober enough to let you know if any of your levels are going astray or if there are problems with the sound system.
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[li]Consider using at least 2 sequencers/laptops (or at least an extra drum machine). If one of them crashes, you’ll at least have a backup. If everything fails or the power goes out, start clapping to the sound comes back on or break out your emergency acoustic instrument. Or try beatboxing. I’m not kidding. (e-trinity once performed this successfully to a screaming crowd when his laptop crashed minutes before the end of his set at a big party in Sweden). Cheap sequencers to use as a second sequencer: Alesis MMT-8, Yamaha QY-70, QY-100, etc. (Plus: see [color=white]Drum Machine section below for cheap drum machines that can be used as a sequencer.)
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[li]Bring backup disks (or cdr’s, flash memory cards, hard drives) for everything… this sounds ridiculous, but redundancy is the key here. Consider what you would do in a situation where your synth loses all it’s patches or if your hard drive crashes. If you have a laptop, could you make a bootable cdr? Also, if you have a laptop, you could keep sysex dumps handy for external gear. The same goes for sampler data. External scsi cdrom drives are cheap. For about $50 or less, you can buy a cdrom drive and do a dump of your sampler’s hard drive to a cdr. Not to mention, external Firewire/USB2 hard-drive enclosures are ridiculously cheap and don’t weight that much.
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[li]Hard drives can be susceptible to low frequency vibrations which can cause misreads, or even head crashes (this is Bad ThingTM). So please be careful when you’re choosing a space to place your laptop. Consider placing it on foam, or even a t-shirt and at all costs avoid putting your computer on a bassbin!
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[li]Have some kind of backup plan in case your gear crashes, even if it’s something cheap and simple like a minidisk. This will give you some breathing time if you have to suddenly reload anything. If you’re using a laptop, consider having it automatically boot into your music software and automatically play a track (in case of a reboot) - remember to scandisk and defrag your machine regularly.
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[li]During your set, take a moment to occasionally look at the audience and see how they’re reacting to what you’re doing. If people start to leave the dancefloor, then perhaps you should try something different :wink:
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[li]Practice! I know it’s obvious, but it will help you overcome unpleasant situations where things fuck up. If you think you know your gear well, you may find out differently when it’s dark and in a completely different environment. doh!
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[li]Be prepared to politely shoe people away if they ask you to play their favorite song, or “what all those buttons do”, or make out with you during your set (heheh). And for God’s sake, don’t let anyone put their drinks next to your gear, and be extra vigilant when drink-wielding patrons are hovering around you.
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[li]I strongly recommend to not get fucked up on whatever substance. It’s rude and disrespectful to not perform your best - you will not play any better if you’re seriously intoxicated. Save the “partying” for after you’ve finished your set and packed up your equipment and it’s in a safe place.
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[li]Don’t be afraid to take chances and improvise whenever you feel comfortable in doing so - a perfectly pre-rehearsed gig can end up being too rigid. You have to be able to create some kind of repor or feedback with your audience, n’est-ce-pas?
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[li]Record your set and listen to it. You may end up getting some great material, or at the very least be able to figure out where you need improvement.
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[li]Try to have someone trustworthy watching your gear when you’re not around and pack up your gear as soon as possible!!! This will significantly reduce your chances of anything bad happening including theft and accidents.
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[li]“never never never never never never never never never act bashful during your set. It’s not cute and it’s embarrassing for everyone.” (credit djugel at EM411.com)
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[li]If you make a mistake, don’t make a big deal out of it. Just keep on playing. Most of the time it will only be you who notices or remembers it.
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[li]If you’re not afraid to crack open your equipment, don’t forget to bring a screwdriver in case you need to open up your gear right before or during your set in order to carry out some crazy emergency repairs.
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[li]If you’re traveling with your gear, make sure to pack it very well. A lot of smaller equipment fits nicely in those cheap hardware-store metal toolkit cases. Nice pieces of thick foam don’t cost too much and just a few minutes with a knife and scissors will allow you to customize the shape to fit your equipment nicely. Please remember that baggage handlers and roadies can be cruel bastards lol
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[li]Believe it or not, you can make a living doing live performance. It certainly takes determination, experience, perseverance and a little obsession. Many musicians from all walks of life have come to realize that there is typically more money to be made from performing as opposed to releasing recordings. As such, don’t underestimate your value as an entertainer - there should come a time when you will want to charge for your efforts. Although the amount of time and effort put into a live set is usually never offset by the income from performing, don’t doubt for a second that what you’re doing is worth being paid for.
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[li]Oh yeah, the most important thing is to have fun!

NB: as you get more experience, you eventually get less and less nervous before performing - but there should always be some excitement and sense of anticipation. Otherwise why bother?
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[li]Label EVERYTHING. Most wall-warts power supplies are black - get a white marker and write your name and email address on the back, and write what device it is for (SH-101, FX pedals, etc) on all five visible sides in big letters - that way you can find them in the dark. Label every single cable - a really good way to do this is to buy 1/2" heatshrink tubing from an electronics supply shop, then print off bits of paper with your name and email address on them and use the shrink-wrap tubing to hold them on securely. If you don’t have your name on everything, you will lose cables![/li]

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[color=white]Some additions from the rest of LivePA.org:
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[li]When travelling internationally, expect that customs will open and search your equipment, and will not likely take the same amount of care to repack it afterwards - you are not allowed to be present at these searches. If your equipment is in locked cases, they will break the locks. Make sure your equipment is packed in a way that is obvious for repackers, and possibly even include a note or diagram explaining that the equipment is very delicate and must be repacked properly.
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[li]Assume that the house mixer will require you to plug in using 1/4", XLR, or RCA - and make sure you’ve got the appropriate adapters to plug into any of those connections! A good rule of thumb: for anything that you will need to connect your rig to the soundsystem, do not trust anyone but yourself to provide the appropriate connectors.
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[li]If you’ve got gear that uses wall-wart type adapters, buy and bring a decent-quality multiadapter with reversible polarity and many different types of tips - label it “Spare” and don’t depend on it. Sooner or later, all wallwarts will go flaky, and having a spare might just save your show.
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[li]If you’ve got a bunch of wall-warts and don’t want to carry around 10 power bars to plug them all into, consider buying three or four cheap 6-foot extension cords, chopping the ends off with three inches of cable each, and splicing the ends together to make a single six-inch extension cord. You can usually plug two wallwarts into a single plug on a powerbar this way. Hint: if you get 25’ extension cords instead of 6’, that leaves you with 24’ of nice thick cable that makes for excellent home stereo speaker wire!
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[li]MIDI cables can and do die. When you discover that you have a MIDI cable that is definitely flaky (i.e., it works if you bend it one way, but doesn’t work if you bend it the other way), EXECUTE IT IMMEDIATELY WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE!! Thou shalt not suffer a sketchy cable to live! Sketchy cables have a sneaky habit of finding their way back into use later on… immediately destroy the cable by cutting it in half, so that it can never bite you. If the ends are non-molded, you can salvage them for later use - but most MIDI cables these days have molded ends.
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[li]If you’re handy with a soldering iron, it is cheaper and better in the long run to build your own high-quality patch cables rather than to buy them. “Molded end” cables (ie. Hosa, etc, where the 1/4" plug is plastic and cannot be taken apart) are fine for short-term use, or use in things like patchbays where they will rarely be moved. For live-pa use where cables will be plugged and unplugged, coiled and uncoiled a lot, it is better to spend the extra dollar or three up-front, so that if/when a cable dies in a couple of years, you can repair it rather than throw it away. You can also tailor your cables to your live rig this way, and if later you change your setup, you can just keep the ends and rebuild new cables. I recommend Neutrik or Switchcraft plug components, and Mogami, Canare, or Sommer cabling. It’s not cheap; instead of buying a ready-made 20’ 1/4" patchcord for $14 at the music store, you end up paying $18 for parts (Neutrik 1/4" connectors are $4 each!) but you end up with a cable worth $50 at the same music store!
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[li]You can greatly improve the lifespan of your cables by never, ever bending or folding them at sharp angles - for 1/4" patch cables, store them in 1’ loops. Add extra strain relief anywhere that cables have their weight supported by the jack or cuff of the cable - velcro tie-strap strips work excellently for this, and can be attached to flightcases or mixers without trouble. One good method for packing cables - sew a drawstring into a small pillowcase, and store coiled cables in there. Cables stored in this way are much less likely to become entangled in travel - I use a mesh “stuff sack” that I got for $3 at an army surplus store.
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[li]Always bring either a bunch of demo CDs of your stuff, or at the very least proper business cards with your contact info and website. People have very short attention spans these days, and if you want someone to remember you, you have to give them something physical that they can take home with them! The more professional you come off, the more likely people are to recommend your act for other events.
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[li]Learn how to take a compliment graciously. When someone comes up after your set and starts gushing about how you’re their new God, shake their hand, look them in the eye, smile and say something like “Thanks, man, I’m really glad you enjoyed it!”, or “Thanks, that means a lot to me!”. Be a full-on rockstar on stage, but be a regular, down-to-earth person afterwards - if someone is impressed with your music, they’ll be even more impressed to find out that you’re a regular, approachable guy. This leads directly to more gigs!
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[li]UPS - Uninterruptible Power Supply: get a small cheap Belkin UPS from Office Depot or Office Max. It has a battery back-up that will save your fanny and gear if the power goes down as you’re playing. There’s one model that’s the same size as a power strip but has the UPS inside, it’s $30USD. Also, they just recently came out with sub-$100 UPSs with built-in Voltage Regulation (!) intended for home office use, but they are also compact enough for our purpose of taking them live out on gigs to deal with places with dodgy power situations.
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[li]Instead of just a screwdriver, get a multi-tool, like a Leatherman or a Swiss Army Knife. More useful, and sometimes the problems you may have to fix are not even your own. [/li]

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Whoa, great advice CosmoSuave. Lots of good technical/practical stuff. But especially good advice about taking a compliment and not being self-deprecating.

I have a tendency to be self-critical right after a set – I’m always comparing the live show to the best rehearsal in the studion – but no one else cares! Much better to try to address the problems later on your own time

make sure you got a good set going first
the sound quality is secondary, actually its third.

firstly you need to have a ‘good show’, meaning a good set.
you want to think about how to build it
if you have to play for 1.5 hours, you want to think about the running order of your songs
you should to try this out at home first, dont get in there unprepared!

secondly, you want to somehow communicate with your ‘audience’ even if it’s ‘just a bar’,
people are people, and generally, people are NICE. you just have to connect with them
doesn’t mean you have to start talking to them, but be aware of them, acknowledge them, look around, smile, and so on, every now and then. Dont be an alien with some techno stuff :wink:

with just electronic instruments, sound check is hardly needed i would say - you should trust your ears and work the room as you get into it. anyway, an empty club is totally different sounding than a packed one - just approach that like a DJ, get into the zone and EQ as you go along, by gut feeling/experience.

FOCUS ON THE MUSIC — keep it interesting. Golden rule: Less is more! Especially in a crowdy/noisy place, even just a Kick, a bassline and some beautiful chords from your Prophet can be enough for a couple of minutes. Too many layers of sounds, will just get lost , your sound will become smaller, even tho you think it would sound bigger, its better to have three sounds going loud than 12 sounds competing for space.

thats my 2 cents (i could give you 200 cents tho i played live a lot :wink: )

btw great list Cosmosuave tx

Playing in public places at the beginning of evening is the lives i prefer perform. Your not in the same situation than at night, when people want to have fun and dancing/festiv music.

This is a good time, because the public don’t really wait for you, it’s more an happening than a live. So the music to be produce is more confidential and personal.

Maybe, they are with friends, here to talk and have beers and fun, not to listen to a performance. You can be like the pianist in the bar, your sound is not the the thing they focus about, and it’s then the good moment to surprise them, and have great reward of your work.

When i do these kinds of live, i prefer have a minimum of gear, so i can really dig the sound and ambiance, without have to think about a big set of machine. Has it has been stated, if you multiply the gear, you increase the problems…

The best rule : have fun, the people will feel that.

have to disagree - sound checks can be vital and make or break a night - completely agree that an empty room sounds different than a full room. but the confidence a good soundcheck gives to a performer can really save the night… sound checks for you: you should be concentrating on what you hear on stage/behind decks only, try not to concentrate on things out of your control. as long as you can hear whats going on, on stage - it makes the job of the sound engineer a LOT easier. sound engineers can be ass holes (can be - not always) be friendly with em if you cant be friendly be civil, but the best advice i can give is bring your own sound engineer.

Practice.
Play out.
Suck.
Repeat til you get it right.

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I don’t think any internet advice will get you any closer than actually doing it. Nobody can predict / prescribe your exact situation at that exact moment at time.

Thanks for all the replies! I’m digging through it now :slight_smile: More material and practice needed for sure. At my rate… this probably wont happen until next year

Geez dude that is a helluva long time… You got kids or something?

I should get the above framed and hung on my wall. :slight_smile:
I’m frequently guilty of layering too much stuff and muddying the mix. When I’ve played live the tunes which have worked best, for both myself and the audience, have always been the simpler ones. If only I could remember that!

Excellent thread! Thank you everyone!

Oh yes… and a ft job… luckily I’m narrow minded and lock myself in “the dungeon” almost daily :slight_smile: Although it is hard to concentrate on the big picture with one hour here and there kind of workflow, makes it very easy to trail off and create different ideas every time… this is anyway something I enjoy doing, if the “live” part fails for any reason, I’m probably continuing anyhow.

Oh yes… and a ft job… luckily I’m narrow minded and lock myself in “the dungeon” almost daily :slight_smile: Although it is hard to concentrate on the big picture with one hour here and there kind of workflow, makes it very easy to trail off and create different ideas every time… this is anyway something I enjoy doing, if the “live” part fails for any reason, I’m probably continuing anyhow.[/quote]
I am in the same boat but i do one night a week and tonight is the night where I get about 4hrs of studio time at home usually from 20:30 - 00:30 … If you can you should focus on a block of time by working something out with your wife…

Right on - exactly the kind of setting I would aim for (as far as you have control of these things)

Oh yes… and a ft job… luckily I’m narrow minded and lock myself in “the dungeon” almost daily :slight_smile: Although it is hard to concentrate on the big picture with one hour here and there kind of workflow, makes it very easy to trail off and create different ideas every time… this is anyway something I enjoy doing, if the “live” part fails for any reason, I’m probably continuing anyhow.[/quote]
I am in the same boat but i do one night a week and tonight is the night where I get about 4hrs of studio time at home usually from 20:30 - 00:30 … If you can you should focus on a block of time by working something out with your wife… [/quote]
Cheers! Yes, this is definitely a better approach… working on it. Starting out with some lessons actually, to improve my keys/improvisation