I think dual VCO looks the same. But I believe that the analog machines are slightly improved from AR. So although they have the same parameters and probably a very similar sound, I think they are not the same. How exactly they have changed I have no idea.
The six machines from Cycles are on Syntakt, main difference is the overdrive (+ you have two filters and a controllable amp envelope). Besides that, we made 4 new machines (sd vintage, cp vintage, sy bits, sy toy).
The analog machines are all from rytm, however there are differences in the circuit design and the FW implementation, so it is not identical.
Awesome job on this! Based on the demos it appears like the pitch envelops of the analog machines are improved? Hoping this is the firmware improvement you mentioned. Do you think some of these firmware improvements will be coming to Rytm in an update?
To be honest, I don’t know… We have just tried to make Syntakt as good as we possible could…
Firmware and hardware goes “hand in hand” in these products, that’s where the differences comes from.
Stupid question but maybe an option for the future - if Syntakt and Model:Cycles share the same machines and obviously the same sequencer, would it be technically possible for the Syntakt to load the Cycles’ patterns?
I already did a sysex backup before I sold it, just in case…
I might be wrong here, but even if the basic code behind the engines is the same (the sound generation part), M:C and ST seem to send different parameters in, as there are more/less/different options to change on both devices. And I tend to believe, that the Patches are stored as “Save the values of the macro-Knobs, the devices have” instead of "saving the core-parameters of the underlying synth-engine. Would be cool, if its different, but it would take up way more space to do so, instead of saving just a few macro-values.
On Top of that, they won’t sound the same, as everything behind the pure sound-generation is different (different Filter, different envelopes, different way how the sound is overdriven with the Volume+Dist knob).
I will get my Syntakt today, if nothing breaks the delivery car or its driver. We might be able to test that, if you would provide me (or anyone else with a Syntakt) one of your export-files.