MC 707 / 101 : New Roland Grooveboxes

16 clips are per track, so there’s up to 128 clips [I guess].
From the reference manual:

You can assign up to 16 clips to each track, and switch between these clips during playback.
Page 9 Reference Manual

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The design + black and mint color make me sick from the beginning.
Now it’s more power and somehow a smaller screen ? smaller faders ? what ?
Roland keep that 707…
I will wait for the [MV-9900] make it happen ROLAND ! and not in black/mint

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Classic pcm Roland engine with user samples and va oscillators thrown in. This is a good thing as it is a deep synth design- if you read the reference manual synth parameters at the back, it can do all the cross mod stuff the d50 onwards did, more complex envelopes than Adsr, you can split sounds across the keyboard, have them fade in or out across the keyboard etc.

I would like to see how well this is implemented on a tiny mc101 screen, but if it is at all workable it is a very attractive proposition to me.

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Fx has also tons of parameters. For example, the Total Effects compressor has 21 adjustable parameters(!)

The Octatrack gives you 16 banks of 16 patterns with 16 tracks per pattern. That’s per project! 2048 sample tracks and 2048 midi tracks!!! The MPC Live is even more plentiful, you get 128 patterns per sequence and 128 sequences per project. That’s over 16000 patterns!!! MC 707 is hilarious out classed in this regard.

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How the Rolling Stones managed in the back of a van with a 4 track is beyond me.

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Your talking about a legendary live band that can jam for hours vs a Grooveboxes with a minuscule 128 pattern count. :joy::joy::joy:

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I think @mokomo was referring to the technological limits of the time, a 4-track recorder vs what a person can do today with a half-decent laptop and controller or “groove box”.

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I get it. I thought it was funny but not a fair comparison. A legendary five piece band with a track recorder is way more fluid and advanced than a half baked Roland Grooveboxe.

My bad, I didn’t disagree with you, actually the opposite, just took it literally.
all good :+1:

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The ‘best music’ was all made through working with limitations. That’s why you want the MC101 :heart_eyes:

Seriously though, I quite like the look & apparent capability of it, but the price is a bit steep. Looking forward to seeing a few in-the-wild demos

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I don’t mind limitations, I’m scratching my head on the track count. 128 patterns is not a lot. My favorite Grooveboxe is the Digitone and it’s only 4 track internal, 4 tracks midi. You’ll get more patterns on the DN though, 512 internal 512 midi vs 128.

No doubt you create a dope song on the MC-707, but for a live show I would want more patterns to create more melodic progressions to keep the set interesting. Roland should of had 8 banks of 8 tracks with 16 scenes each then I could see in as a viable live option. In the studio the 707 is sufficient, no argument there.

Sample management on the TR8s is a nightmare. Otherwise is super hands on and fun to play with… once you have your kits set up. :slight_smile:

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I think its a pretty good box and can exist in the OT space but since I have never played a live set or anywhere for that matter, I bow out gracefully :wink:

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How do you approach your DN? I love the synthesis capability of it but always feel like I’m running out of timbres once I’ve squeezed a single track of drums and bass each and already used up half the tracks, and then i need to think about voice stealing/allocation. I think I’m missing out on some workflow by not thinking more deeply about my approach.

I feel like I’ve more scope with the DT between the two of them as a one-stop-shop, plus DT can be any sound I want, depending on sample material.

I get so confused between clips tracks patterns sets etc. I don’t play live, I really just love these boxes for jamming, creative outlets and expression at home alone. So a lot of these limitations some of you point out aren’t relevant to me, but I can see how they impact a live show. But yeah the terminology always confuses me and to this day I struggle to differentiate lol.

The Digitone offers opportunities with higher frequencies, so on one track with the same patch I can cover two frequencies at once without losing any detail. Track 1 baseline with higher pitched stabs, track 2 floating pads or atmospheric backgrounds, track 3 drums kick and perc, track 4 snare and hats. Midi 1 deepmind for analog goodness. I usually use 8 patterns to construct a song, with mutes and knob twists I perform while I’m composing between tracks. Patterns amount is important for my process that’s why the 707 is a disappointment.

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Ok a pattern consists of tracks. For example a Digitone has 128 patterns, each pattern has 8 tracks. The MC 707 works differently you get 8 tracks with 16 interchangeable patterns called scenes. Each company has their own jargon and different approaches to sequencing.

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good point talking in frequency terms!

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