Model samples and ableton live first step drop

jello · October 23, 2019, 6:52pm

greetings, I’ve bought a Model Samples and I’m enjoying it. In standalone mode I have no issues and I like the workflow. However, I do use Ableton Live, and I’d like to sync the MS with it, mostly to jam and create beats in MS, while doing other stuff in live.

I’ve achieved this with MIDI over USB, no issues. However… when I hit play in Ableton, and having the MS as slave, the first beat sometimes sounds, and sometimes doesn’t.

I’ve worked some workarounds, but all seem overkill (for example, triggering the patch one bar before). I wanted to know if someone had the same issue and if you’ve found a solution to this.

Basically, I’m looking at hitting play in Live, and having MS start right away, from step 1, with the first bass drum for example, sounding.

Thanks in advance!

goeggson · November 10, 2019, 12:52pm

I have the exact same issue. When the M:S is selected as slave, it always skips the first 16 steps. The workarounds are fine, but there surely must be some other way.

jaybee6244 · November 10, 2019, 2:36pm

+1.

First trig is always missed when slaved to Live 10. I’m going to check this in Reason 11 to see if it’s the M:S or the DAW.

jaybee6244 · November 22, 2019, 8:13am

Confirmed as a bug by Elektron Support.

Riuozami · November 22, 2019, 8:27am

Did it work ok in Reason?

jaybee6244 · November 22, 2019, 8:40am

I haven’t checked yet (using Reason 11 as VST rack). I can do that this weekend.

temikrz_900 · January 20, 2020, 11:55pm

What did the support team answer you? will they fix this error? i have the same problem + ableton don’t look model samples as audio card

jaybee6244 · January 21, 2020, 8:27am

Hi. They just confirmed it was a known issue, but gave no timeline to fix. I suggest you raise a support ticket at: https://www.elektron.se/customer/tickets/ as this will help increase visibility of the issue.

I’ve not had any issues with Ableton seeing the device - I’m using MacOS (Catalina) and the M:S is Class Compliant.

temikrz_900 · January 21, 2020, 12:14pm

Okay, thank you

temikrz_900 · January 21, 2020, 5:54pm

Have you tried using midi cable? Does the problem remain?

Jeronan · January 21, 2020, 5:59pm

It’s the exact same issue as with the Digitakt. Which still hasn’t been fixed either.

jaybee6244 · January 21, 2020, 6:52pm

Yep - it’s not just a USB issue.

temikrz_900 · January 22, 2020, 3:28pm

Is this a problem only for ableton on digitakt or other DAW too? Fck, it is no cool

Jeronan · January 22, 2020, 5:22pm

I only use Ableton Live ( 10.1.7 ) at the moment.

It’s an Elektron problem and not Ableton, since my other gear like Novation Circuit doesn’t have this issue when its in slave mode.

temikrz_900 · January 25, 2020, 12:58am

in fact, this is very strange, people in other topics write that everything is fine with synchronization with ableton.

Gonzbull · February 14, 2020, 1:27am

I have the same problem but with Logic Pro. Always misses the first step. Hope a fix is in the pipeline. I thought firmware update 1.02b would have solved it but alas.

ALBER · February 14, 2020, 6:24pm

It always works if you set Live to count off 1 bar before starting to record. It is in the metronome menu.

AdamJay · February 14, 2020, 8:24pm

nice tip!

Cospacios01 · March 7, 2020, 2:30pm

How do you enable the MS as a slave? I am new to the MS and want it to start playing whenever I press the ‘play’ button in Ableton Live.

Thanks!

philipm21 · March 23, 2022, 1:00am

Was this solved? Could anyone tell me what settings I need to have on model samples and ableton 10 to have them sync? I had it working before but changed something and have not got it working since