Anyone know how to adjust the length of a midi note in the step sequencer?
Well I finally decided to order a Toraiz to give it a try, I donāt anticipate it will replace my Octatrack nor do I really need or want it to, but it will certainly fulfill a role that the Octatrack does not do well for me, namely playback of many loops in a hassle free way.
Funny thing is I am also considering trading my OTmk1 for a mk2, mainly because of the extra buttons.
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Curious why the SP-16 over the DJS?
I inadvertently have sp16 and OT2, and I think if you can meet the cost they are a good pair.
(preordered OT2 last year, it was delayed so got sp16 instead, then cond trigs announced on OT2 and had a few months to enjoy / realise limitations of sp16)
in fact if the sp16 had just a few more features it would be amazing:
more LFOs, more FX slots, conditional trigs - things OT2 has.
I do like setting up a bunch of midi conditional trigs on OT2 and then manually operating sp16 - using the pads, filters and touchstrip on samples, controlling the AS1 with midi (you can set scales which works really well). tbh I have also been trying to sell sp16 because OT2 just has so much more to it, but no takers in hong kong. I donāt mind because they pair well and I will build a process around using.
sound quality on sp16 is stellar - I have sampled guitar straight in from pedalboard and very impressed with how it sounds.
so for me - setup OT2 to play with itself, and twiddle the sp16.
enjoy!
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Mainly the sampling time, form factor and user interface.
I think youāll really like it. I always think of getting one again; youāll be surprised by how good it sounds. I would definitely go for the SP-16 over the DJS-1000 as well.
Thanks - reading your posts about it certainly helped in my decision 
I ruled out the mpc live as I think it does not have the immediacy of the SP-16, fast and simple workflow is getting much more important for me these days.
I get that the SP may be lacking some features but Iām hopeful that I can workaround most of them, and for sample mangling and transitions and any more complex stuff I will use the OT.
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As long as you can/want mixing externally (With the 8 outputs) or if donāt care about mixing destructively before any processing ā¦ EQ then resample then Processing FX will work. I hope they gives a second slot of FX or a Mixing Slotā¦ + a master chain (EQ, COMP, LIMITER) on the Master + A better matrix modulationā¦ and one or two new REVERBā¦
And then itās one of the best Sampler out there.
Edit : oh yes better envelopes also and a second LFO (if matrix modulation extended). 
BUT Youāll gonna love the warmth you can get about the Filters on the Master outs That iām sureā¦ Donāt crank up too much thought or Saturation/ Clipping comes very FAST
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Thanks @William_WiLD yes I will probably mostly just use main outs for live set jams, then use additional outs into my modular or external fx and Octatrack for productions.
I was also thinking it might be cool to split the tracks up for doing āDJ styleā sets, so imagine tracks 1-8 contain the parts of song A and tracks 9-16 contain the parts of song B, then route 1-8 from main outs which go into OT inputs AB and 9-16 from outs 3-4 into OT inputs CD, then set up OT for simple crossfader DJ style mixer with track recorders set up for further mangling fun and so on. Ha many ways to skin a cat!
I think mostly I will be working on SP with āstemsā of 4 bars, but maybe some chains too, did you try chains?
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Yes you can slices and play parts inside;) sounds good your idea 
Tell me how it works and if youāre happyā¦ when you tried / find your perfect configuration
Enjoy Darenager
Sorry if this has been asked already. But Iāve had quite a hard time finding a clear answer.
Can you only output in stereo pairs?
For example, can I use the 8 outputs as individual mono outputs?
I bought and sold two Daren. They sound great and really good for simple jams with 16 samples. But ultimately sold because only 16 samples (no sample pool, no per step shizzle), weird annoying electrical buzz/current through fingers when not plugged into anything and all the bright lights did my head in, even when set to minimum. But if you can put up with the last two points, you have an OT to get over the first one 
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@enryo Yeah bright LEDs can be a pain for sure, I guess Iāll find out in a few days once it arrives if it will be something I can live with, the electric tingle thing sounds like a typical SMPS leakage issue, never been a fan of SM power supplies, I will look out for that and possibly look into swapping it out for a linear PS.
Hoping that I can get around some of the sample limitations by having chains for drum sounds and so on, Iāve come to the realisation that no-one makes a proper and full featured joy to use sampler, they all fail spectacularly at something, ha! The closest I ever got was the RS7000 but the woefully slow sample processing makes it unsuitable for anything other than short samples, a real shame as the sequencer was great on it.
What did you end up replacing the SP-16 with?
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I went back to an OT both times and currently have a mk2 that Iām really happy with. The new OS, especially, has everything I need. I canāt afford to have 2 boxes and the OT was the best fit.
The current leakage only happens if you use it stand alone as it isnāt earthed. If you connect it up to anything that is earthed, monitors, mixer, whatever, it doesnāt happen.
Sample chains work really well on it if you prep, but often I donāt know Iām going to want a particular sample, which is where the OT is better for my use.
Like I said, sounds really great, wasnāt overly impressed with the drive, stereo filter is nice, notched knobs a bit of a pain, still needs 2 FX slots and an extra LFO or two, but itās a great machine overall as it stands right now. Youāll love it. Quick, easy and accessible. It was just those few points that were deal breakers for me compared to OT.
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Good idea to use sample chains with the Pioneer samplers. Forgot about those. But that would help with the 16 sample slot limit.
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Tried my hand at recording in all my TR-09 drum hits, and then playing them back with the slice feature. Iām using the DJS so I get some of the perform FX and mutes per pattern. Curious. Before I toss this one I wanted to just record something
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DJS-1000 has some huge advantages over SP-16 so Iām curious too
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My SP-16 is not getting any use lately because of the lack of looping. I bought it because there was promised that looping would come soon. Its a bummer its not there yet. Other then that, great sound quality and workflow. I prefer it over the MPC live that I had for a couple of weeks. I tried to sell my SP16 but there was no interest. So I just boxed it up and will wait for a hopefully big update with looping. In my heart I donāt want to sell it, but its sitting thereā¦ unusedā¦ at the moment.
There is a big comparison with the DJS, the workflow is pretty similar, but the DJS is big and heavy and not ergonomically build for production, its aiming for Deejays. I like the fact that there is looping and performance effects in the djs, but I will def. not buying it, because Pioneer disappointed me a bit and I am not a DJ. I still like my SP16, I really do! If looping is coming I would be in heaven!
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Of course you can 
You choose how the 16 Slot/Pads/tracks are routedā¦ Also any combination is possible ā¦
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