Simple solution would be taking a couple of loops (3rd party) and a couple of (3rd party vsti) and arranging a small loop, level match and then unprocessed export it and do an a/b
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I think weāll have to agree to disagree on this one. Iāve also been using Reason since version 1, as well as a number of other DAWs. The EQs on the mixer are not built to be precise; theyāre built to be models of the SSL board. There are other EQs in Reason that are plenty precise. And while in many respects Reason has been playing catch up, so have those other programs, namely in trying to capture the fun and flexibility of the rack.
Anyway, this is probably a dead-end conversation and Iām not looking for an argument, so my apologies for continuing to disagree here. Iām mainly disagreeing so that others know that the āReason soundā isnāt a thing, to the best of my knowledge, and that Reason is a ton of fun! Considering the price point, and considering you can now insert the rack into your other DAW as a VST/AU, itās worth checking out.
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I respect your point of view and I agree that it is worth trying the VST version in other DAW 
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That āReason Soundā discussion has been on the net in endless cycles for years now - please donāt start it in this great and peaceful community here again 
Personally I never noted any relevant differences between different DAWs soundwise. The fact that several successful pieces of popular music (e. g. at least one Beastie Boys Album since 2010) were entirely made with Reason also suggests that there is no inferior āReason Soundā.
To me, it is way more important that the playful GUI and the modular structure of Reason invites me to get creative. The ability to combine this with the loop based approach of Ableton or Bitwig is a dream come true.
Just my 2 Centsā¦
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I will be getting the regular version update at some point. Donāt need the suite or any of that stuff, the bread n butter reason devices are enough for me.
Sure enough, reason has a āsoundā, just like everything else. If you need a sound that NI Massive gives you that you prefer, why try to emulate that with reason? Use it for its strenghts instead of trying to do something that is better achieved by using something else. The VST rack offers exactly this, we get to mix and match, cherry pick and choose 
IMHO to claim that you cannot do āseriousā music with reason, nonsense. Making music is not a competition, and talent always trumps gear in the end if we need to start getting academic bout it.
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Am I the only one that finds Reason 11 quite pricey for what it is? Genuinely interested, I havenāt used Reason in a decade, so maybe Iām missing something.
depends. If you have a reason 1.0 licence, upgrading to v 11 is only 129$
Well, itās a full-on DAW, so in that sense itās cheaper than many of the other ones out there (and more expensive than some), and itās also a pretty strong complement of instruments. But for me itās worth it because of the rack environment and being able to quickly and effortlessly wire things up in clever ways, and also because of the Rack Extensions ecosystem, which allows you to add more instruments into the rack with their own wiring. There are little quality-of-life touches that are missing from other DAWs, too, like the global undo on everything (instead of VSTs having their own or not having one at all).
The biggest drawback for me, and the biggest disappointment in this Reason 11 update, is that they didnāt update the resolution. In 2019, the GUI is just getting long in the tooth, too small and fuzzy in many instances. The legacy devices, like Thor (which still sounds fantastic), is basically too small to use without putting your nose against the screen.
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Iāve upgraded to Suite. Tried all of the stuff and Iām happy Iāll be getting my moneyās worth.
Some light googling revealed that international folk can pay in dollars at JRRshop.com and thereās a bit of extra money off (11%) if you use the code FORUM. This worked out as ā¬211.04 a little earlier, via PayPal.
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Yeah, that was going to be my main complaint as well. Butā¦ I also canāt seem to download several of the Suite Rack Extensions. Some download fine, some donāt. VST version also seems to be crashing Ableton and then I canāt even open the file afterward - instacrash. I have a ticket in with Propellerheads. Hope they can help or Iāll have to get a refund. Sucks. I was really looking forward to this. 
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I usually wait before I before I update and will do the same now. However, I donāt see why you want to get a refund if having a few problems. Iām sure theyāll work out the bugs asap.
Thanks for sharing. Went for the suite update, and the combination of Complex-1 and PolyStep sequencer has been keeping me thoroughly entertained since!
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Edited for grumpiness.
I would love for it to work. I would love for them to solve it. If they canāt, Iāll get a refund. Iāve been around long enough to know sometimes shit just doesnāt work on certain setups and sometimes it can take years for bugs to get worked out with hardware and software. I donāt have the patience for that when I canāt even open files due to instant crashes. Soā¦ refund. No biggie. Iām sure it will work fine on 99.9% of userās systems and more than likely they will get this worked out on mine too. Was just thinking out loud.
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All this talk about outdated instruments and samples has me thinking I should probably just throw out my 50 year old guitar, right?
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Users of reason would you recommend the intro edition to run as a vst in Ableton? Itās Ā£69 and you do get a lot of synths, drum machines and fx for the money. Are they any good?
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If the redrum is included and you owned a 909 and wanted good mods its worth the money alone imho whoever ripped that out is a legend.
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Europa and Thor are both pretty good I think. I like the Scream distortion and the RV7000 reverb, and I find the MIDI player devices more inspiring than Abletonās MIDI fx. Iāll venture that Abletonās better for sampling, drums and slicing, and you wouldnāt necessarily reach for that stuff if youāre working inside Ableton. But you might.
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Reason Intro doesnāt have a huge array of things (sort of depends on the music you make), but itās worth what theyāre asking. Europaās fairly powerful and low on CPU usage. Thor sounds fantastic, though its GUI sucks in 2019. Maybe the coolest part of getting Reason Intro is access to the Rack Extension environment, where you can add cool synths like Antidote and take advantage of Reasonās CV system, although thatās a hard sell, I admit.
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Yep.
I feel like a kid with all of the Legos.
This is probably worth sticking in the thread here (DivKid Complex-1 Mega Tutorial - all of its modules and knobs explained): https://youtu.be/XRbUrNEjbj4
Iām really enjoying Parsec.
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Donāt just throw it out. Kill it with fire so no-one else can make the same mistake that you did with it.
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