wooden sides music 
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Nice work trying to get the used prices to drop so we can buy a couple spares. 
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funny that 2020 was a great year to buy instruments second hand, unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you see it, many had to part ways with gear with covid related money issuesā¦
2021 is already different, I already sold more than I bought.
Studio is slimming down. However this topic doesnt help me, I was lurking in the shadows for a long time regarding the P12, now with the news it wont be produced, itās too tempting to snatch one off the shelf while we still canā¦
I blame it on you guys.
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Stahp !
Yaāll are messing with the second hand market!
Another data point: just got mine and itās in the 1100s.
I donāt know how long it was on the shelf (the box had a substantial coating of dust) but doesnāt feel like there are a whole lot of these out there.
Iāve heard of P12 keyboard serials in the low 3000ās, for reference.
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Yeah Pro2 signal path is mono up until it hits the delay lines which are stereo, here is a quick example of the super saw sampled and then down sampled for some really noisey dirty play back through it. Pretty fun but also maybe a slightly extreme example.
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Haha! Not coming atcha with pitchforks or anything butā¦ Iām one of those people who was using the rare P12+Digitone combo for a while. In the end, I felt like there was too much sonic overlap between these two instruments, and decided to get rid of one. Hard decision, but the P12 left, the DN stayed. Thereās a lot that I like about the P12 sound, it has this fibrous yet crystalline quality that I definitely miss. But I think I could never get over the Curtis filter sound - just not my bag, I guess. For me, while it doesnāt have the same mojo, the DN gets me to similar places and more immediately, plus can get to a lot more rhythmically freaky places the P12 canāt get to, owing to that Elektron sequencer goodness.
I love, love, love the Digitone. But I do miss the P12 sometimes. If I didnāt have the DN, it definitely would have stayed.
My only remaining Sequential, the OB-6, while objectively more limited than the P-12, will have to be pried out of my dead hands.
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Been dreaming of getting my final piece of my musical pie and the OB-6 has been the sonic cherry on top for my analogue poly. I think your right on with it having to be pried from your cold dead hands! Ha!
I might surf the 2 grand polys just to sample and see if I really find myself landing in the same spot as you but I think my 2nd musical memory as a child being rocking out to Van Halenās āJumpā pretty much seals my fate as well.
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Yeah, I remember, we had conversarions on this topic on and off. You went that way, I went this way 
canāt say we didnāt both give it our best shot, right?
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Ya. Instruments are very personal. Itās interesting how things that look ideal on paper can end up not clicking for you, or vice versa. I really dig what you are doing with your P12 though. If it fits, wear it out!
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Thank you, thatās very nice of you to say
It took some time to get to know the Prophet 12, but now itās my longest running synth, with the exception of a Yamaha workstation I had in the 90ās.
I only use about ten presents on it or so, and consider them more like starting points for sound design. No track I make, ever uses the same patch, but they all come from variations based on the same patches. So while itās never the same, thereās a kindred sound spirit among them all. I never save the results either, so if I need to recreate the exact same patch I did for somehing, I canāt
Kind of liberating, actually.
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Just wrapped this up. All Prophet 12, processed through some Chase Bliss stuff and the 1010 Blackbox internal fx. Despite processing, I feel the character of this piece wouldnāt happen without the Prophet 12 -
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Really stoked I own one again (cause of this thread). I canāt remember why I sold mine, but now that I own it again itās here to stay!
Sonically it fits very nicely between the sound of my OB-6 and EFM. Itās nice to see a thread appreciating the sound of the P12!
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Iām so close to nabbing one too. I canāt remember whatās so bad about the Curtis Filters though. When I listen to demos, the Curtis filters sound cool in a more moody/aggressive way.
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Having listened to a lot of P12 this past week I find this a little puzzling myself. Would gladly hear the worst examples of the Curtis sound on the P12! 
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Iām pretty sure the main complaint is how the resonance behaves when pushed, but Iām not a big fan of most filters when the resonance is pushed. The Elektron filters and the SSI2144 filter donāt sound good to me with too much resonance.
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There is NOTHING wrong with the Curtis filters.
Sure, there are other filters with this or that character that someone might like a little bit more for some situations.
Internally itās a four pole cascaded filter, so similar to the SSM2040, Roland four pole filters, etc.
People will find anything they can to pick apart something, justify their favorite, etc. IMO theyāre all flavors. Sometimes you want one, sometimes you want another. Thereās nothing wrong with any of them. In the context of a generally smooth sounding poly synth, the Curtis sounds great. Even better with the newer vintage controls on some of the Sequentials, and for those that donāt have this, the VCM techniques: Prophet Rev2 Synth - Vintage Voice Modeling - Free Patches - YouTube This is for the Rev2, but may apply to others.
A lot of the sound depends on how you drive the filter, gain staging, mixing, etc.
I find it kind of fun to make patches on the Rev2 that people tend to think arenāt possible on it. Just takes some time and effort is all. There are other synths that might just be instantaneous to make a certain type of sound, without much effort of course, but I find itās generally possible to make most analog sounds on most analog synths.
Edit: Looks like those VCM methods above wonāt work with the P-12 unfortunately, as theyāre done with the gated sequencer in the Rev2. However gain staging is much easier on the P-12, so that can help a lot.
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Iāve been a champion of Curtis filters forever. Iāll never understand the hate. This really dry, aggressive sound. Makes me miss my Evolver just thinking about itā¦
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