Where did you read that? Can’t find anything…
ahaha… it’s me on the mc707. Not gonna fall this time.
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Exactly what I’m thinked about. What is the advantage of Maschine+ over an Intel NUC or something similar + Maschine MKIII ?
This remind me MPC One. Everyone saw it as a new kill box they have to own. Few days after it came out, the used market poped a lot of MPC One and now it’s hard to sell one at a good price.
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I haven’t seen it specifically mentioned in the specs - but how many separate parts/tracks does it run simultaneously. On the compare page it says 64 groups/64 scenes. Does that mean you could run 64 audio tracks off it?
I’m also taking an assumption that it does stream audio from the SD as it says that the number of samples that can be loaded is unlimited - so perhaps audio loops do not have to be loaded into RAM?
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I was a long time user of Maschine, and as a groovebox and for sketching ideas it is very capable. Probably much more than people give it credit.
That being said, there was so much promised by NI to enhance the software (going back to when it went to V2 in 2013) that never came to fruition. For example the upcoming Clips audio was demonstrated maybe 5-6 years ago and was never implemented. Eventually other products caught up and Maschine stayed stagnant, and for many the perception was that NI had diverted their resources to other things (like the Sounds project they have).
Arranger stuff that Maschine users asked for never came and NI made it seem that they were the most technical things to develop. Then devices like the Deluge came out with flexible arrangers that Maschine fans had been asking for.
I’m summary, if you buy the Maschine, make sure it’s for the great stuff it can do now, as there is no guarantee that anything promised or hinted at will happen.
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Universal rule for all gear. Problem is sometimes the documentation is not enough.
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Thanks for saying. Yeah, I always buy instruments with the presumption they’ll never get a single upgrade ever again, including fixing bugs. It’s like with people - you can be disappointed in them for not being who you’d like them to be, but that’d be on you, then. You can’t expect others to change but you can accept the present situation and decide if you want to be in it, or not.
A bit philosophical there but yes, that’s how I see it as far as gear goes. Which is why I jumped the Toraiz SP-16 band wagon quite late, but once I did, to me, it’s now a mature and powerful instrument.
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Maschine has the best manual of any piece of gear or software I’ve ever seen
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People sometimes want things for what they’re not. They like that it can’t open Facebook. They like that if they want an FM synth there’s only FM8, which is plenty, and not 5 alternative VSTs.
A Maschine MK3 + Laptop + audio interface + power supplies + appropriate cables, adapters, dongles for each is far larger and more unwieldy than the Maschine+ by itself. Updates and support for each of these elements is collapsed into one as well.
I’ve never owned any Maschine gear and generally loathe NI products, despite generally sounding fantastic. But this is legitimately intriguing. I’ll never purchase it at that price but maybe 4 or 5 years from now when there’s new hot shit and this is $600 used I’ll bite.
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Yeah, it’s been many years since I’ve read the manual, but I recall that it was really well put together, and easy for simple step by step learning. I used the general methods of the manual to also teach my mates how to use Maschine.
Does current maschine software allow any tsig other than 4/4?
And if so is it safe to assume the standalone version would as well?
That’s good to know. Still, real interaction with the machine is needed for proper evaluation. Things like interface latency, worklow, hardware controllers quality, eventual bugs… there’s nothing like spending a few hours on a machine before you decide if it’s for you.
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i checked and it seem to be only visible by french customers
Price of all products bought separately
18264,00 €
Bundle Price
1299,00 €
you save 16965,00 €
HAHAHA marketing amazed me
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I will never get another N.I. product after them killing off the Traktor Mk1 devices through lack of support. I have seen the arguments which boil down to “spend another £700 on a new device”, which is fine if you have that sort of money flying about.
NI are the kings of built in obsolescence. Emotional, burnt rant over.
Edit: My 20 year old technics have just been serviced and are working well…
Playing devil’s advocate here (cos I get your point), but it’s fairly trivial to remove/lock-down the browser (or disconnect wifi), only install the packs you want, etc.
I think what @AdamJay is getting at is that many (not all!) people’s demands expand as they realise the limitations of hardware, to the point that many people just want a DAW but don’t want to accept that. I definitely experienced this - ‘Wish my DT+DN had better sequencing, I’ll get a pyramid… Wish there were hardware reverbs like Valhalla… wish I could just edit this sequence as quickly as a can with a piano roll and a mouse… wish I could add that kind of sound without having to spend a few more hundred on a new synth…’ And then, whaddaya know, Logic or Ableton do all that 
Even stuff like ‘I look at a screen all day, I don’t want to look at another screen’ gets negated the first time you burn your eyes out using Elektron’s un-dimmable interface in a dark room. And options like the Maschine+ are just offering a screen so…
Clearly it’s not the case for everybody, but I think that for a lot of people, if you took their ‘wants list’ and scrubbed out ‘needs to be DAWless’, the answer is right there in our faces. The fact that companies are putting out ‘DAW in a box’ products like this seems to back up this suspicion.
Obviously, this isn’t a refutation of the product or any claim that people shouldn’t get it, but I do see the irony Adam’s pointing to.
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Laptop + usb cable + Maschine mk3 is enough - no?
since mk3 is an audio interface, and can be bus powered…
sure a bit bigger (depending on laptop) but its also battery powered 
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Was going to say that too.
This Maschine+ chat has got me considering a mk3 again…
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Robustness, no peripherals, and (assuming they get it right) the reliability of proprietary firmware running on purpose-built hardware.
I’ve been touring for 30 years and, to this day, still won’t bring a PC or MacBook onstage with me. That’s not to say that it can’t work, and I know artists who have done so successfully; but I’ve seen the plight firsthand. All computers are not created equally. Hardware, on the other hand, be it the right tool for the job, remains a constant.
I don’t know how that point always gets lost in these conversations; as though the only thing that matters is the power under the hood, with no consideration as to whether or not it’s roadworthy.
Cheers!
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Ahh yes you’re right here, I didn’t realize maschine mk3 has such fully fleshed out IO features - i had wrongly assumed it was more bare-bones like a Push. That does make the Maschine+ seem less impressive and does narrow the gap between M+ vs MMk3 with a laptop.
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