Switching Tuning in Song

Hi, I have a very long song I programmed on my A4. Some patterns are in 440 Hz and some are in 432 Hz.

Besides manually switching between the two tunings with the main menu/knob, is there any way to automate (per pattern) between the two tunings?

Thank you.

Nope

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It should be possible to save different kits per pattern, with Osc Fine Tune dialed in per tuning

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Not even theoretically with Overbridge or some outside-the-box external method?

2 performance knobs could theoretically be set up to control all 8 Osc’s fine/detune across every kit in the project. 2 Octatrack midi LFOs (for example) could send slow moving automation to the 2 performance knobs to transition between tunings

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Thank you so much for the outside-the-box suggestions. However, I’m talking about the overall tuning in the Main Menu (with the tuning fork symbol). Let’s say A04 was programmed in 432 Hz, then A05 was programmed in 440 Hz, and A06 was programmed in 432 Hz. I guess I’m just going to have to manually transition with the knob on the fly when recording.

But daaang! I wish there was another way. Most patterns play only four times so some of the initial part of the pattern (or the end of the previous pattern) will not be in the programmed tuning even if I transition between the two tunings quickly. That was pretty dumb of me to program patterns in different tunings. Lesson learned. Adjusting the Osc’s fine/detune still won’t exactly match the original sound.

There probably is a way but it would be extremely difficult and require hardware alterations that I wouldn’t even be able to do. Thank you though.

Sounds different from master tune change ? :thinking:
The 2 macros are a good idea imho, as you can copy/paste macros…

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Most of my hardware only allows tuning relative to 440hz, I have these all set at -32c. For the sake of continuity between gear I would probably also leave A4 set to global 440hz and program the tuning in per patch at the osc level

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Let’s say Osc1 is tuned to 0, with the pattern initially programmed at 440 Hz. What would the equivalent Osc1 sound be when the Master tune is set to 432 Hz? -8?

I still don’t think that would sound exactly the same, but if I’m wrong, that’d be great.

Yeah exactly. For continuity, I usually set new songs to 432 Hz and program with that tuning the whole way through. But this song is super long and written initially in 440 Hz. Then I wanted to hear 432 Hz patterns at some point for some reason. Furthermore, some patterns sound good at 440 Hz and 432 Hz, so I’m not even sure which one to record. Hence, if I could switch between the two master tunes (440 & 432) very quickly, it would be great. I could even alternate between both tuning versions of the same respective pattern on my playback very cleanly. But I’ve pretty much lost hope at this point that that is possible for me to do.

@Bloop has already calculated this for you: just tune everything down by 32 cents to get to an equivalent Master Tune value of 432 Hz.

Indeed you are wrong.

Leave the master tuning at 440 Hz. Use a separate kit(s) for all the “432 Hz” patterns. Tune everything in the “432 Hz” kit down by 32 cents, using the Fine Tune parameter. I can’t remember what the scaling factor is that Elektron use, you could try an initial guess value of -20 for Fine Tune.

Edit to add: see post from @Bloop later in this topic for actual data.

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Oh okay thank you. You all are very technically adept. @Bloop My bad, I didn’t understand you.

Dumb question, but what is a cent?

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1/100 of a semitone

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Oh okay thank you. I plan to try that and update on this.

I would also assume -8 detune, but check with a tuner to be sure

This is probably possible using direct jump between 2 duplicate patterns with different kits, one pattern with 440hz kit and another with 432hz kit

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All good, I once composed a track starting in 440hz which slowly bends down to 432hz so I understand the headache :wink:

Thank you. I don’t have anymore patterns left on the project unfortunately, but I can try the other solutions. Thank you very much. I appreciate it a lot. If the patterns sound correct after all is said and done, I will be blown away.

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Haha yes you get me. Okay thanks.

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The AF’s Coarse Tune control is in semitones, and the Fine Tune is +/- 64 values covering +/- half a semitone, so neither of these should be given a value of -8. That’s why I’m suggesting trying -20 as a first guess for Fine Tune. Checking with a tuner, or magic 432 Hz ears, is of course the best method.

Edit to add: my estimate was wrong - see post from @Bloop later in this topic for actual data.

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That sounds like quite a task honestly. Haha. Well, worth a shot. Thank you.