No worries, hope you’re ok.
I’ll survive, got told to go fuck myself by my 2 year old son the other day. Have to admit I was pretty proud.
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I think I agree with this statement. I just hope the focus is on confronting the ethical questions and not on trying to find reasons to ignore the less savory behaviour.
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I thought this one kinda died down. It was quiet for a little there.
BUT…I’d like to thank the mods for allowing the people to have this discussion. It seems like it diverted this stuff from other threads and let people get it out of their systems.
Thanks guys. 
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Cheap knockoffs of mixer designs was always a bit on the nose for me but always saw it as a given in the marketplace. So I’d prolly see that new MIDI controller in the same light. Not overly fussed about them cloning/resurrecting vintage synths when plenty of other companies have been doing the same.
But bullying/suing/silencing critics seems like an absolute dick move. Ditto for the whole Oberheim trademark shennanigans, although I’ll reserve my final personal judgement until that one’s been sorted. Which is a real shame because I might’ve otherwise been quite happy to buy their 303 clone.
Edit: If people are happy to support B regardless, then that’s their choice - consumers gonna consume. Not gonna pass judgement even though I’ve been personally attacked by fanboys on gearslutz.
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Posting here as it seems kinda relevant to the thread. Update on the Oberheim trademark shenanigans:
https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn90121878&docId=OOA20210304112058#docIndex=0&page=1
(apologies if already posted elsewhere)
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Uli’s like the new Don Martin. Gotta love lawyers and copyright laws.
Mr. Oberheim is too nice (and old) for this crap. Gibson, Viscount, the firestarter OB-Mx…now Behringer.
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I went to look up “biting” and found this amusing article.
http://www.tiplj.org/wp-content/uploads/Volumes/v20/v20p115.pdf
NO BITIN’ ALLOWED: A HIP-HOP COPYING PARADIGM FOR ALL OF US, Texas Intellectual Property Law Journal, Fall 2011
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You mean the world where most of the musical content is ripped off from other’s copyrighted material 
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Lol you got me
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Any clone, copy, mini version of a revered synth just ruins it for me.
I’m a simple man, i’ve always dreamed of an ARP 2600 or a Synthi/VCS3, yet i haven’t even watched the Behringer 2600 demos. For me the magic is totally gone and there’s no emotion left that’s linked to these pieces of gear once they get the Behri treatment.
Today i’d rather invest in the classics of tomorrow than chase the ghosts from the past.
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Bite is more graffiti. Hip Hop bit it.
Hip Hop is the bitinest form of art. But they call it “sampling”
In graff yer bitin’ styles. Cheap paint.
- Roland…you got Berhed.
- Yer Berhin’ my styles.
I’ve been wondering – does Behringer copy digital synths too ? I know there’s the Swing, which has digital parts, but isn’t too far from a rearrangement of sequencers and keyboards that Behringer has done before. And there is Brains, but that uses open source code. So I am thinking more like a digital synth. I can’t think of one off hand.
ADDED: I did come up with another, not yet released, but the LinnDrum is a digital sample player, which i would suppose would be easy enough to copy, and legally permitted given you used samples different from the original.
Got to love this one
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See they’re not the same – the pots are turned to different positions!
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Behringer added the circles they did the number they switched it to wumbo Behringer did a thing
There are better IP protections for software, so no.
There may be better protections, but software work-alikes are common and legal. One example, think about the work-alikes for Microsoft Office. There are lots of other examples. Think about browsers. If code is written from scratch, patent and copyright protection can only go so far.
I don’t think the IP is the main issue here, but cloning/imitating a closed software, especially written for DSP or specialized processor is very non-trivial task. It would basically be writing it from scratch and writing a good sounding VA OSC in C for the Motorola or Raspberry processor is more of art than just technology. Think of, for example, Waldorf, grooming their wavetable engine for decades.
Decompiling and reusing the binary code may be possible in theory, but it is both a very complex task and a rude violation of the copyright - would be nuts even for B*
(Not that cloning an analog board is easy, but often the schematics are published and some things are just visible on the board itself)
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