If a consumer, more competition can only be better unless there is some zero-sum theory behind the consideration.
If a business, surely less clones/competition is better unless you are the one doing it.
If a regulatory body, running a free market economy should be the name of the game and essential to prevent the formation of oligopolies too.
Remember lawsuit guitars from the 70s? Highly regarded now as great quality instruments.
To be clear I am not going to bat for Behringer. I would just like a bit more intellectual consistency. The whole “well they build in China so that makes them inherently evil” argument just always gets thrown in. Its as though one can make a few dubious claims of ethical concerns and then the icing on top of the evil cake is “CHINA!”
Now I’m no fan of China but it wouldn’t be brought up by me as an argument unless the said offender exclusively did that.
Not their ip dummy! 
So the designs you say they used the Yakuza to steal weren’t other people’s intellectual property then?
Pffft doent matter what i said, im nobody. I just hope i didnt disrespect u or anyone else, personally or culturally.
You’re not nobody, you’re someone posting pretty serious accusations on a public forum, which is pretty ironic, given the way Behringer tried to sue people doing similar things on gearslutz or wherever it was.
I get your wider point about big business and getting their hands dirty, but you can get yourself in real trouble posting shit like that. Unlikely, of course, but not impossible.
Thanks for your concern. Yes you got the point. I meant not just B, them all do shit like this probably. Even if its just low pay, bad working conditions, steal other peeps ideas, silence through underground or a bunch of superlawyers, zaibatsu shit like that.
Meanwhile we take our electrical energy for our studios from Russia. Yet we find time to discuss a Synth manufacturers ethics. Hmmm🙄
punchy one liners with veiled insults as responses to a discussion made in good faith…Uli, is that you? 
I don’t, I pay extra for renewable sources. 
But I hear your point, in terms of consistency and a more holistic point of view.
But I find it difficult to relativise what Behringer do with other people’s IP by pointing out all the other shit we accept on a daily basis.
Rather than using that to normalise Behringer’s IP exploitation, I’d suggest doing it the other way around, ie “wow I don’t dig that IP exploitation…also, why the hell am I still buying energy from oil companies?!”
it’s also not like Behringer have been kind about this stuff…they’ve tried suing regular users on the basis of forum commentary and blog posts before. They’ve outright tried to secure IP rights through legal means away from their rightful owners.
Aaaaand, they’re not known for their great own product lines…IP exploitation is becoming their main line of work.
How many of you that own a Boog or a Bro-1 also own a Deepmind? I’m genuinely interested.
I reckon not many. Reason being: Behringers own designs aren’t exactly great.
They had a hit on their hands with the X32 and had much improved their quality control compared to back in the 90s / early 2000s…could have just continued on that path, but then they would have had to pay designers, do the R&D…all of that. The money you save on their iterations is not just based on economies of scale, it’s based on the shameless hijack of other people’s creative and innovative work. It’s cool if one doesn’t mind that or doesn’t care about that, but it’s silly to try to rationalise this away and label people who call them out on it as snowflakes or “brand fetishists” as one rude and uninformed individual on here has implied.
Case in point: how much is a Behringer Wing? Cheap as chips? Hardly. How come? Isn’t their competitive advantage in pricing due to their “hyper efficient production line” and “democratised pricing”? Why aren’t those at work with the Wing? I tell you why, because they had to do their own creative work on those, and that shit’s expensive.
The Neutron and the various Deepminds are extremely popular synths which have sold well!
The imbalance is quite startling though. And two wrongs don’t make a right. And fair play to you going the extra with renewable energy.
Yep. I do. Running at times into an x32. The deepmind actually the best thing they did so far in the synth area. They ran with an idea and advanced it far enough to make it it’s own thing. Had the boog running next to our subsequent 37 and it holds its own sound wise.
imho there are some babies in their bath water.
The largest plant in the world is a clone.
If you’re asking seriously, it’s because the law doesn’t work like that. Arturia wouldn’t have a case. Not in trademark law, nor copyright law, nowhere. They’d get countersued, and would end up paying all the legal fees, and likely damages.
Not to say Behringer hasn’t pushed things before, the Swing is one where if they’d followed their original design, they would likely have had trouble. They changed the design enough, to get by.
In this case these are so different it’s not even a question legally.
By the way, what Behringer is presenting here is a Synth/Controller, so it isn’t even in the same classification of product.
Thank you alechko for putting these pictures together, it was good to be able to easily compare these two.
Hadn’t Behringer gone bankrupt?
