The Guitar Thread

Any suggestions, ideally from ownership or at least a decent bit of use :grinning:, for a late 70s/early to mid 80ā€™s Japanese guitar? Iā€™m thinking Matsumoku/Yamaha/Tokai etc. Iā€™m primarily a bassist but I play a bit of 6 string too and Iā€™ve got a few guitars Iā€™ve collected over the years. So in terms of bases covered Iā€™ve got a Tele, a Squire CV strat, a 330, a Korean Gretsch semi and a Lawsuit era Antoria Semi. I like the single coil/P90 sound and Iā€™m not a huge fan of LPā€™s or Gibsonā€™s in general. I play funky and twangy (badly) through a Roland JC120 and donā€™t own a distortion pedal :joy: that might give you an idea of what Iā€™m looking for. Prob not a shredding legend! :joy:

The thinking behind that era of MIJ guitar is that Iā€™ve got a few bases from that time that are fantastic instruments. Two Aria Pro IIā€™s and a Yamaha BB. Iā€™ve had others too from lower down the pecking order such as Hondo IIā€™s and a Westone Thunder that weā€™re great players too. I believe some of the guitars were just as good too so Iā€™m basically looking for your experiences of them.

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I owned a 79 Yamaha SG2000 for a few years. If you can find one in good condition and the right price, consider it a long term investment. Sturdy build quality, built to last. Great stock pickups that have a rich natural distortion. Still the best guitar Iā€™ve ever laid hands on. But be warned: It is super heavy. Thatā€™s the only reason I sold it.

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Yeah, I think a Yamaha SG or SF could be up your street. John McGeoch style.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/17973/lot/244/

They pretty much all had humbuckers, but looks like some of them had a coil split.

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Yvette Young is so much appealing for new guitar techniques!
I learned guitar seriously when I was about 16, with Police, James Brownā€™s guitarist stuff, which I most appreciated technically (control of ghost notes).
Wasnā€™t fan of Satrianiā€™s examples tapping lessons I tried, Yvette Young may me want to work on new techniques again! Thanks!
Btw I really donā€™t care about the green color of its guitar. :wink:

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Yep I hear you. Sounds like my SB basses. The BB is no lightweight either. Iā€™m a knee player so the weight thing isnā€™t as big an issue for me. Iā€™ve got a Wal Custom that I used to play out. I swear Iā€™ll end up with a shoulder complaint in old age! It weighs an absolute ton!

Ah and playing the video again I noticed she use really particular tunings too! :exploding_head:

Itā€™s one of the solutions to the problem of two-handed tapping. When your picking hand is being used to tap, it is harder to use that same hand to mute unwanted open-strings. So if the guitar is tuned to a particular tuning and the piece is also written to focus on the notes of that tuning, it doesnā€™t sound so bad if you canā€™t mute an open string while you are tapping.

I learned to play guitar when my roommate in college volunteered to teach me some Beatles songs on a guitar he just bought from a flea market. I didnā€™t think I would get all that serious about playing guitar, but somehow I got more interested over time.

I had a Chapman Stick for a bit. I learned the basics of tapping on that one. It comes with a dampener so that the player does not have to worry about open strings ringing. I eventually sold the Stick because I realized I do like to strum, which the guitar is designed for and the Stick is not.

I stopped playing guitar for several years. Then I joined a band that was formed by a guitarist who wanted to play music like Mogwai, Mono, and Explosions in the Sky - so-called ā€œpost rockā€ music. I was the bass player, then he asked me to switch to 2nd guitar so that somebody else could join as the new bassist. Post-rock music doesnā€™t require a lot of solo practice so I started learning Preston Reedā€™s song ā€œTribesā€ on my acoustic guitar. It is in the CGDGGD tuning and requires both fingerstyle technique and tapping - like Yvette Youngā€™s music. Eventually I got frustrated with the unstable tuners. My cheap steel-string guitar does not handle that tuning well, especially the low string being turned down to C.

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So was my experience with open tunings, I even used different strings to correct that, keeping the open tuning for a guitar. (DADAAD, then BF#BF#BF# with a custom gaunge on a strat like).

For my relatively new 8 strings, I just drop the F# to E if needed / wanted, both being interesting. I chose a 80-10 set for that. Changing all strings tuning would be a nightmare!

Anyway, I think Yvette Young tricks can be transposed / used on different scales /tunings.
Easier to learn with same settings, for sureā€¦

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The frontman for Eastern Youth, one of my favorite Japanese bands, plays an old Yamaha SG-1000 from that period. Iā€™ve never owned one but have been tempted many times.

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Had a go at Section A of ā€œNeroā€. I had to slow down Youtube playback and repeat the last section many times. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: One advantage of the tuning for this song, is the major 3rd is easier to play on the 2nd and 3rd strings with right-hand tapping.

One advantage of an open-string tuning is you can get some nice sympathetic string resonance. Itā€™s more noticeable on acoustic guitar but I heard a bit with the Strat plugged in. Itā€™s like getting a pad sound for free.

I noticed that the Ibanez YY10 comes with .011 strings, which is unusual for a production Strat-like guitar, but the heavier gauge is probably well-suited to her music, with all the tunings that she uses. My Thinline Strat came with .010s. Itā€™ll be interesting to see how this music plays out on the Tele with the .009s.

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A few G&L mentions here lately. Iā€™m looking into the L-1000 and Fallout Bass Launch Edition. I wonder how much custom shop options are and if they are worth it.

I like anime and I like guitars but I havenā€™t watched any Evangelion other than the first TV series. So I was surprised to see Asuka get her own signature Tele model

I donā€™t know much about those, but I have one of the Japanese G&L L-2000 basses and itā€™s great. So many tone options itā€™s insane. If you can find a used one they are really good value IMO.

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Needs to be paired with the Korg Miku Stompā€¦

As an aside, it turns out Fender did make not one, but TWO guitar models for the other major girl in that anime - Rei. But theyā€™re in a whole different price bracket as they were masterbuilt guitars, not mere ā€œspecial editionā€ factory guitars.
https://www.musictrades.co.jp/english/webnews/archive/2010/01/evangelion-fender-strato-and-telecaster-fetched-16-mil-yen.html

Funny you mention Hatsune Miku. My avatar is Mahiru Inami

Her voice actress is Saki Fujita, whose voice was sampled to create Hatsune Mikuā€™s voice

I had a Heartfield bass for a while in the late 90ā€™s, used from late 80ā€™s?, Japanese made. It was pretty good, but I had a dozen basses back then. They made 6ā€™s too. I only remember them because there was a mid 00ā€™s dream pop band by the same name, also MIJ.

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My latest guitar-shaped object arrived:

The color is closer to regular white than ā€œvintage creamā€ as depicted on the site. My Eric Johnson Thinline Strat is ā€œvintage whiteā€ and that guitar has a more pronounced yellow tinge.

It arrived tuned pretty much like a regular guitar, instead of the CGDAE tuning that the website said it would be tuned to. Thatā€™s ok - I tuned it to CGDAE, which is the same tuning as a cello with an extra E string on top.

There is occasional noise, depending on how the cable is inserted into the jack. Maybe that can be fixed by having pots and/or wiring replaced? Other than that, the pickups sound fine, with the neck being surprisingly louder, as reported by other customers.

Neck feels pretty good to play. Having gotten used to the EJ Stratā€™s baseball bat neck, the Dā€™Angelico Deluxe SSā€™s relatively thinner neck, and my Teleā€™s compound radius neck, Iā€™m pretty flexible with necks anyway. Iā€™ve never been good at evaluating fret quality - they seem ok.

The low C string has some flop to it. I might look into having a tech adjust the truss rod for a bit more neck relief and maybe raise the action a hair to improve the low string tuning stability. I do like the current low action though. Iā€™ll give the Warren Ellis 5 some time to settle into the CGDAE tuning.

I started learning the bluegrass standard ā€œRed Hair Boyā€ from Andy Woodā€™s bluegrass mandolin course. I quickly found that the notes are quite a bit further apart than on a real mandolin - more like a cello than a violin as expected. I have to shift my hand around a lot more than I would on a fiddle or mandolin-scale instrument.

I barely remember some chords I used to play on cello but have already discovered some other cool chord voicings made available by this tuning. Bending notes is fun because the short scale makes bending up a minor 3rd so easy. Overall, I think itā€™s a good buy for the money. I might look into upgrading the pots, wiring, and shielding but thatā€™s about it

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Thanks for posting your thoughts. Iā€™ve been curious about the Eastwood stuff. The Eastwood McGeoch looks cool, kind of wish Yamaha had done it though, or at least a Revstar with a non-flame sunburst finish like that.

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Andy has a great right hand technique, without pick.

Iā€™m sure this has come up before so apologies if soā€¦

I just put my electric guitar direct into my novation circuit mono station and no sound even with the gate open so I guess I need to preamp itā€¦ Any suggestions for the cheapest, smallest but effective way? Thanks :slightly_smiling_face: