The A4 can certianly generate low end sub bass with the best of them- but it lacks the big round textured sound that lives in the 100-200 kHz range, in my mind.
Sorry to disappoint you, but this is the reality âsale trickâ we have seen for the last 15 years 
¡ Especially with the huge collection of VA synths out there
[quote="âRyanElektricâ"]
The A4 can certianly generate low end sub bass with the best of them- but it lacks the big round textured sound that lives in the 100-200 kHz range, in my mind. [/quote]
try the resonance and distortion trick, it makes the sound bigger in this reggion
[quote="âteeveeâ"]
Sorry to disappoint you, but this is the reality âsale trickâ we have seen for the last 15 years
¡ Especially with the huge collection of VA synths out there :)[/quote]
I guess my ears and the ears of most major producers are totally faulty.
Thanks for blowing the lid off that conspiracy for me.
Iâm going to list all my analogs for sale, and buy a Virus. Same thing. Right?
The A4 can certianly generate low end sub bass with the best of them- but it lacks the big round textured sound that lives in the 100-200 kHz range, in my mind. [/quote]
try the resonance and distortion trick, it makes the sound bigger in this reggion[/quote]
I know, I knowâŚit just isnât my kind of bass synth. Iâve accepted it!
No problem, people are too naĂŻve
Well that is totally up to you I will not buy your âanalog stuffâ because I do not have space for more keys
Nothing personal, but I would not buy an âAccess virusâ either because my ears are telling that you can make same sounds on a computer VSTI
No problem, people are too naĂŻve
Well that is totally up to you I will not buy your âanalog stuffâ because I do not have space for more keys
Nothing personal, but I would not buy an âAccess virusâ either because my ears are telling that you can make same sounds on a computer VSTI :)[/quote]
Youâre right. Iâll just keep randomizing sequencers in Ableton and Iâm sure to produce the greatest music ever created by mankind.
On second thought, does anyone have the .mid files and presets for âbest song ever created?â. Randomizing sequencers is too much work.
No problem, people are too naĂŻve
Well that is totally up to you I will not buy your âanalog stuffâ because I do not have space for more keys
Nothing personal, but I would not buy an âAccess virusâ either because my ears are telling that you can make same sounds on a computer VSTI :)[/quote]
I donât understand the point you are trying to make teevee. I share the same opinion as RyanElektric, and itâs not because of âhypeâ; A4 did not excel at bass for me. I hope the AK does though; Iâm really looking forward to hearing them compared side-by-side. The first thing Iâd like to hear is if the PW sounds better when modulated. There was something I didnât like about it on the A4, and I suspect it has to do with th filterâs ability to handle certain frequencies?? idk
My point from earlier is:
There is a limit of how âfatâ you can make a sound and telling a buyer that you can keep making the sound fatter, sharper and more analogue is used as sale-argument for too many years
You may ask: Why?
If you are telling the buyer âWe made a new synth but itâs not sharper, fatter more bass kicking, compared to what you have heard until nowâ Then it will not sell.
¡ I donât care if you donât believe me but thatâs how marketing works for sellers ^.^
My point from earlier is:
There is a limit of how âfatâ you can make a sound and telling a buyer that you can keep making the sound fatter, sharper and more analogue is used as sale-argument for too many years
You may ask: Why?
If you are telling the buyer âWe made a new synth but itâs not sharper, fatter more bass kicking, compared to what you have heard until nowâ Then it will not sell.
¡ I donât care if you donât believe me but thatâs how marketing works for sellers ^.^[/quote]
We are talking about Elektronâs A4 though right? Iâm not saying that I have trouble believing anything; Iâm saying thereâs no point to you telling people who arenât satisfied with A4âs sound that they have fallen victim to marketing hype.
I donât get along with the A4âs sound, but I think I could if they tweaked a few things⌠i.e. making it handle bass frequencies better. I might not even like the AKâs sound with the tweaks to the bass; who knows?
But you donât need to go around explaining âmarketingâ to synth enthusiasts whoâve tried, and bought various synths for many years.
The A4 can certianly generate low end sub bass with the best of them- but it lacks the big round textured sound that lives in the 100-200 kHz range, in my mind. [/quote]
try the resonance and distortion trick, it makes the sound bigger in this reggion[/quote]
I know, I knowâŚit just isnât my kind of bass synth. Iâve accepted it![/quote]
now I´m curious about your kind of bass
This makes me go buahduxhaz<<zzzzz[/quote]
iâm not shure if i understand the spirit of your reply here Cenk. (yeah, didnt knew it was you when i contacted support).
I really respect and enjoy your music and learn a lot with you videos⌠but i would really have liked that you gave us some relevant info on this matter, because you are one of the âchoosen onesâ that have been able to hear the differenceâŚm if there is any.
I dont use google translate, and yes, i have so many mistakes writing in english though, will try to learn more⌠)
I agree with many of the replies here
And just to clarify, though i think i explained it in my earlier posts, I AM NOT saying i cant get huge fat bass sounds and kicks or anything else out of my A4, im NOT saying it doest sound lovely good, i love my A4, the sequencer is a dream come true, the FX, etc etc⌠BUT i think theres room for improovement, specially in the OSCâs fatnes (and please no more hot-dog pics)⌠or is it absolutelly perfect in that respect?
If the AK is not the thing i expect regarding oscillators,iâll just buy an (under my subjectiveness) fat CV oscillator to use it when i just want a raw and strong wave with some delay or reverb
Thereâs a lot of talk about the sound of oscillators.
How did you manage to hear the raw unfiltered sound of the oscillators?[/quote]
hmmm i missed this replyâŚ
well, i think i can read between lines
i was talking about setting a patch up with no modulations, no ressonance, fully opened filters, etc⌠The sound of the OSC alone⌠as far as you are letting us controll that⌠looks for your question that it may be that theres some kind of âpowerâ hidding inside that we users dont (yet?) have access to it? 
Iâd guess Dataline is just expressing a sort of apathetic bewilderment at people being so prejudicially critical of what might be a very subtle change to some circuitry. It sort of misses the whole point of what the A4/K is all about given how much control you have already to alter the sound.
Why not wait a few weeks and then there will be some AK owner posting a comparison of the AK vs A4.
It is like saying my HB pencil isnât dark enough, I need a HB+ before the pictures I draw are how I mean them to be.
I will await a few soundcloud side by side clips before I get too bothered.
Thereâs a lot of talk about the sound of oscillators.
How did you manage to hear the raw unfiltered sound of the oscillators?[/quote]
Thanks for the tip, but please read my OP, i know how to make the A4 sound fat!
im not talking about big bass sounds here, its not same.
What i want to make is get a full and fat sounding unfiltered Square wave at lower octaves with my a4 (ala juno, Arp, even arturiaâs minibrute), can you do it with A4? Can anyone do it?
i cant
can the AK do it?
videos seem to show a big difference⌠i hope there is a difference, or that the A4 update unlocks some âhidden powerâ for the OSCsâŚ
Ths bit explains why you and others react like if i was attacking, you simply dont read what i write⌠well, do i have to repeat again what i already stated in several posts?
And yes, iâve considered swaping it for another synth, but as you well said, one doesnt only buy an elektron machine for its raw sound, thereâs a lot more and i think i stated that as well in the original post. My thoughts now are either upgrade to an AK (if sound dfference is worth for me) or keep the A4 and get a couple of fat sounding CV controlled oscillators to fit them to it.
Peace.
Iâll wait a week to hear it myself, and then iâll decide
⌠and thatâs the reason why i havnât bought anything released since y2000âŚexcept elektrons.
I myself am considering either the a4 or the ak. As for bass - iâm pretty much covered as is, and i guess i wonât be getting the a4\ak specifically for bass - but rather more for its sequencer, the things you can do with its p-locks (like changing presets per step) which can give unique textures etc, and its ability to sequence via cv.
For bass i have another âA4â. The GRP A4. Also the vermona perfourmer mkii and the SE Omega 8. All are FAT bastards, warm and what not. But the GRP has cv and gate inputs for pitch and filters - and the elektron a4 has 4 cv outs, so it fits right in.
The only question, as others have noted, is whether thereâs a significant difference in timbre between the a4 and the ak. If i understand correct - the whole âextended filterâ with the boosted resonance is going to be available for the a4 as well via the nearest update. So the question is whether this âfine tuneâ elektron are speaking of (which they claim to give the ak - over the a4) is noticeable, barely noticeable, or completely un-noticeable and only detected thru the use of an oscilloscope.
If thereâs no substantial sonic difference - than to me, soundwise, the ak will only be a kb version of the a4, but have identical (or at least 99.9% identical) sound engine.
I donât need another keyboard. But if the ak has a sonic edge over the a4 - i can make room. Iâm just not convinced there is an edge, and whether itâs true or âfairy taleâ.
Moral(s) of the story: the Analogue 4 is the first synth capable of all bass timbres and textures that people might like out of any other analogue synthâŚ
âŚwhich is irrelevant because analog timbres and textures are nothing but marketing hype.
Thereâs a lot of talk about the sound of oscillators.
How did you manage to hear the raw unfiltered sound of the oscillators?[/quote]
hmmm i missed this replyâŚ
well, i think i can read between lines
i was talking about setting a patch up with no modulations, no ressonance, fully opened filters, etc⌠The sound of the OSC alone⌠as far as you are letting us controll that⌠looks for your question that it may be that theres some kind of âpowerâ hidding inside that we users dont (yet?) have access to it?
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When i read it i thought he was hinting as to whether or not you opened the box and stuck a scope probe on the relevant IC pinâŚ