Avalon Bassline...worth it?/ Opinion

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I was debating whether to put it here, in the memes thread or post your artwork thread :laughing:

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Pure acid on iphone is ok, butā€¦ rebirth (2*303+ 808+909 in my pocket) on iphone, i miss ušŸ˜¢, also i dont use or understand the more complex apps, still dont have an ipadā€¦
(charging my iphone3 now, to see if its still aliveā€¦, yes, iphone 3 is somehow blown up but rebirth still rocking)

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Funny enough 2x TB-03, TR-08, TR-09 + MX-1 = hardware rebirth, bit more expensive though, but functionally close :laughing:

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If it really arrives next spring I will have the special combo of the worst and best clone
(tb-3 and avalon)

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Went fast in the end! and nowā€¦.

We wait.

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Having already owning one - Decided a second would have just been gas or greedā€¦ but now as I wallow in the remorse of seeing them all gone, am looking hardly at that td3-mo and what mods it would need to bring it closer to Avalon:

-A mixer knob for the sub instead of just an on off switch.

-External input oscillator

-filter cartsā€¦ good luck.

Side note. Seriously mr Brian of abstrakt, or some other krafty mofo, make a euro rack filter module that can use those carts.

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Now to mute the thread until itā€™s ready :stuck_out_tongue:

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Abstrakt site down for me, Iā€™ve also been emailing with no reply. Anyone had contact with Brian recently?

This lack of comms was exactly the same situation when I enquired and purchased my unit via SX Pro back in 2017, but it only actuallly took 3 months between pre-order and delivery in the end. Dealing with Abstrakt is unpredictable, but when you do make contact, Brian is usually excellent. When my unit needed some component repairs approx. 1 year ago, I spent 5-6 months trying to get hold of Brian, but when he finally got back to me, all I had to do is pay postage and he repaired and serviced the unit for free within 2 weeks - he even gave me a new retail box and cart boxes. Heā€™s pretty meticuilous with his service standard, so perhaps he may have been dealing with all original unit repairs first before focusing on making new units, this would also be useful for gathering ā€˜lessons learntā€™ to avoid further units being affected by issues.

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Pure speculation, but the website had been moved to new servers due to the surge in traffic from the Avalon preorders. Now thatā€™s over, so they might be move it back to the previous hosting. I suspect itā€™ll be back up soon.

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Accent via cv/gate

Managed to order two units of the final run. Very excited to get them in my studio after great experiences using them over the years. Sound brilliant.

The only thing i canā€™t figure out is how accent can be achieved when sequencing externally via cv/gate (not MIDI).

I want to sequence using my Cirklon over cv/gate - this way i can play non standard/microtonal acid lines.

All seems like itā€™ll work well, but as there is no cv input for the accent, Iā€™m wondering how best to achieve this?

I assume itā€™s possible with an external VCA either by taking the OSC outputs and accenting before putting back in to the filter input on the avalon.

Or by sending the master out into an external vca (eurorack) and accenting after the main output of avalon.

Has anyone managed to do this successfully?

Iā€™m anticipating having to explore different vcas/and accent gate lengths to achieve a 303 like result, so if there is anyone out there with experience achieving a great accented 303 sound when sequencing via cv/gate Iā€™d love to hear from you!

Thanks in advance :blush:

(Donā€™t want to sequence using on board sequencer, as restricted to normal tuning. And donā€™t want to sequence via MIDI, as although this would work if it had pitch bend; but avalon doesnā€™t so isnā€™t a workable route for me :blush:)

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hey dave, good to see you here, techno legend!

it canā€™t. you could kind of fake it with the filter cv in but it would mess up the internal cv tracking and end up just being a ton of work

for this you would be better off with the dinsync.info VCF-303 and OSC-303 modules or using midi out of your cirklon. tbh the avalon is really designed as a self contained unit and isnā€™t really as special if you skip the onboard envelope and other functions all tied to the internal sequencer (e.g., param lock filter offset on steps). if all you want is 303 sound w alt tuning via cv iā€™d go the dinsync module route

the good news is you have like a year to figure it out before weā€™ll even see our next avalons :slight_smile:

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Thanks a lot for your reply, Iā€™m not that dave angel Iā€™m afraid, my user name just references a silly UK tv character from my youth haha.

Iā€™m quite set on the Avalon for sound alone, but fully hear you re: missing a lot if not using the on-board sequencer.

However i plan to sequence with Cirklon for cv/gate and use MIDI from Cirklon to control the extra envelope. Filter offset can be achieved via filter cutoff input on the Avalon, and doing so is more powerful, as the pattern controlling the filter offset could be a different length to the pattern sequencing cv/gate which leads to a lot of fun phase shifting potential.

It really is only the accent iā€™m missing, and have discussed elsewhere about solutions, so know itā€™s possible to do with an external VCA. Just wondering who has done so as would love to hear from anyone that has! :slight_smile:

I used to love sequencing my tt303 with onboard sequencer but once i realised how powerful sequencing it with Cirklon is, Iā€™ve not looked back.

No mucking around with program changes to play different patterns at different sections of songs, or fiddly pattern copies to make a slight variation. And no thinking ok ā€˜so pattern a01 needs to play in the bridge, but I need to play a03 in breakdownā€™ etc. No going between two machines to edit a pattern and then arrange in Cirklon.

Doing all in Cirklon is FAST, and will mean I wonā€™t have to clear patterns/backup via sysex and clear to make space for more patterns.

Unlimited patterns saved into the Cirklon with old songs ready to be recalled whenever is needed (with therefore no risk of said patterns having been since deleted to make space for new patterns).

Sold on the sound of Avalon, and with them both sat by Cirklon itā€™ll make for a great acid team :slight_smile:

(As you can see Iā€™ve heavily considered this topic :rofl:)

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I would do this, and microtune via MIDI pitch bend - but no pitch bend available on Avalon and so this wonā€™t work for me unfortunately. If it had pitch bend this would be by far the simplest solutionā€¦

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Still a legend though :smirk:

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ok i have a plan b for you because honestly i still think this is a waste of 3/4 of the avalon since you can get the sound without the avalon. butā€¦

you could do ext cv via cirk, gate via cirk, but still run the sequencer to program accents + envelopes