Logic Pro coming to iPad

damn! very interested in giving Logic another chance as an Ableton user.

Logic Pro on iPad: why not, might be fun!

But then:

  • No headphone jack on iPad: haha but sorry we donā€™t use BT headphones for pro audio. And if you have to plug a soundcard to get decent audio then a MBAir becomes a more portable setup.

  • Subscription model: hard NO. iPad hardware is already a subscription, as you have to keep buying new hardware to continue using your stuff. Have an iPad 3 at home, it canā€™t even download (working) older version of apps because Apple. In the meantime, I still have an old Logic 5 copy that I can run on any old windows machine.

  • File management on iPad: itā€™s anything but a joke. Transferring samples, project and backing up your work is gonna be a pain.

While itā€™s nice to see some new interest for Apple around Logic Pro, I donā€™t trust them for any kind of support engagement. And I want to be able to still open my music projects 10 years from now, the main reason that Iā€™ve migrated to Ableton a while ago.

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See my earlier post, itā€™s not that bad Logic Pro coming to iPad - #64 by tdmusic

Itā€™s $5 a month, lets not let another thread get bogged down with economics. :sleeping:

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i can understand people who use Logic as their main DAW ā€“ but i donā€™t, so totally fine with subscription.
after all, it can be done when needed and canceled when unneeded.

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Iā€™m totally psyched to try it out. I loves me some iPad music makinā€™!!!

Edit - I spoke to my accountantā€™s accountant, she said I have to cut out one triple venti mocha chocka hazelnut vanilla half-calf decaf extra shot with whip cappuccino iced spiked caramel latte a month to fit it in.

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I remember asking Logic users and someone told me thereā€™s an iPad version for Logic which can be used as mixer, anyone knows if thatā€™s going to put out of service now that this thing is announced?
I was really curious to try using ipad as a mixer, but thatā€™s going to be a hard no for me, not sure why but subscriptions simply annoy me, Iā€™d rather pay full price for a software.

so many software moving to subscriptions, adobe ruined everything

The iPad uses the same processor as the Mac, and the 12.9-in h iPad has more or less the same-sized screen as the MacBook Air.

What I really like is the redesigned touch interface. The new tiles that show selected plugin parameters are great, kind of like Abletonā€™s macros.

Apple added many of these touch-screen instruments back with Logic 1.5 in 2022. I remember writing that they look very touch-friendly even then: Quick Sampler, Live Loops, on-screen keyboard, Beat Breaker, Drum Machine Designer, and Sample Alchemy

It also makes me wonder if Apple might finally sort out the audio I/O on iPadOS. Right now you canā€™t choose separate routes for input and output, like USB audio in, and speakers out.

Another though. DriverKit now lets developers create drivers for the iPad. This could mean Overbridge for iPad, in theory at least.

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  • No headphone jack: Add an adapter or audio interface and problem solved.

  • Subscribing model: If you find 50,- a year to expensive for running a professional DAW than why did you buy the most expensive tablet on the market? It clearly isnā€™t about the money cause this subscription model is cheaper than buying a professional DAW at full price every couple of years. Also donā€™t forget we got spoiled to the max with having Logic X being so dirt cheap and not having to pay for updates for so long.

  • File management: Iā€™ve had no problem using iCloud for file transfer when it comes to music production. (itā€™s not perfect but it works) I keep everything there and a backup somewhere else just in case. I can get to all my projects from any device I use.

  • The future: 10 years from now youā€™ve bought another Mac running a newer version of Logic. Previous versions might not even run. Are you gonna keep old Macā€™s laying around having them all work together?

I like to keep things simple. I ditched all 3rd party plugins because Logicā€™s plugins are already extremely good and versatile. Users should really give it a change more and they start realising they really donā€™t need all those other plugins. More 3rd party plugins only means more clutter and problems along the way. The money saved on software I get to spend on hardware which keeps its value much longer (or even rises) and way more fun to use imo. :slight_smile:

To be fair I donā€™t like most subscription models either but 5,- a month (or 50,- a year) seems laughable to complain about if youā€™re serious in music production.

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There are 100ā€™s of USB C connector headphones available at Amazon starting at 15 bucks all the way up to pro- no issue at all, I get 8 hours play on battery, but if it was an issue you only need a 5 buck splitter.

Another issue: doesnā€™t iPad OS only support one audio interface at a time?

Everyone who dislikes using an iPad for music, is morally opposed to subscriptions, and prefers a laptop should definitely not use an iPad and the upcoming Logic Pro app, they should avoid it at all costs and use a laptop.

The ones that do like iPads, and donā€™t mind the subscription, are not wrong.

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We do need bigger tablets, specially now that we got FCP and LP on it. The bigger the better.

regardless of preferences, what about REAPER ?

Having said that if touch interface is dialed it can be quite the MPC killer hooked to a decent midi controller.

There was a twitter ā€œleakā€ stating that ipadOS 17 will include ā€œAudio output source settingsā€. Iā€™m interpreting that as the ability to plug in a sound card or a Digitakt etc and have full control over what device you want to use for input and what device you want to use for output.

The big news here IMO is Apple finally supporting Ableton Link. One of the great features of GarageBand is the virtual drummer, but itā€™s quite limited compared to the Logic version. And until now neither could slave to external midi clock, which was bloody annoying. But now with Ableton link support (and the iOS apps that convert midi clock to Link) Iā€™ll be able to get drummer to sync to my Octatrack for some quality beatmaking goodness. Should be fun.

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That was added to the Mac version last year.

Itā€™s a great addition, like you say.

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Ah - I missed that news as Iā€™m still on Mojave so canā€™t upgrade.

Thereā€™s been a lot of complaints that thereā€™s no headphone jack on current iPads. Thatā€™s fair but itā€™s not too hard to find a good portable setup for the iPad. The key to my setup has been [a little ā€œoctopusā€ dongle](USB C to USB C Female Adapter USBā€¦ https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09PFQXJR3?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share) that adapts from the iPadā€™s usb-c to 3 usb-c ports, one just for power and the other two fully functioning. This feels a little more portable for me than using a hub.

Iā€™ve got three different setups with my 11ā€ iPad that all work whether Iā€™m on the sofa, on a train or at my desk. All three work either on iPad power alone or with external power.

My main setup uses the Magic Keyboard case to hold the iPad and I can power it from the extra usb-c port it provides on the left (or the dongleā€™s power port), then I use a Presonus Atom SQ midi controller which the iPad powers. And the Apple usb-c to 3.5mm headphone adapter.

If I want to sample then I can switch out the headphone adapter for my Olympus LS-3 which is battery powered and gives me a class compliant audio interface with line-in, built in mic, and high fidelity headphone out. Note: the apple headphone adapter is also very high fidelity too.

This has been great for messing around with my Pocket Operators and NTS-1 on the go, and soon the Roland J-6 too.

If I just want to go extra portable then I can just plug the headphone adapter straight into the iPad, use the Magic Keyboard as a virtual piano keyboard in Drambo, and if necessary power the iPad via the Magic Keyboardā€™s extra (power only) usb-c port.

Iā€™ve been loving this setup with Drambo, Koala and Iā€™ve been trying to add Loopy Pro. However, Iā€™m really looking forward to trying out Logic Pro like this, especially sampling into Live Loops.

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The Zoom H6 is also great with the iPad giving you a class compliant 6 in, 2 out audio interface.

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