Yeah, the force is super powerful, but it just did not click at all for me. I’m loving the 707, it’s brilliant!
Even ignoring the price tag, having dedicated pots and faders makes a big difference performance-wise.
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I feel the Mc-707 and Force is pretty different products. Even if they both have a big overlap. I wouldnt swap my force for one, but i love the dedicated faders pr track. Thats was the selling point when i got my TR-8S. I feel it is a much “better” way of playing with the box than mutes. It is something very visual about it. Fader down, no sound. hehe. I have never liked muting with buttons. I kinda get lost in what i’m doing.
On the Force i have clips. And i think it is a good visual way for me to arrange and jam. I have a good overview of what is happening. For me it is a good way of getting out of the “one song loop” i never managed with other equipement.
On the Mc-707 i think i would just be stuck in a one pattern loop again.
I hope this isn’t too off-topic, but I was also thinking what’s more ableton-like on the 707 than what exists on the force? I can connect a launchcontrol XL to my force if I really need a bank of 8 faders. I got VA synths on the force. I got a 4-layer drum sample engine with round robin and full channelstrips and fx per layer on the force. I got a looper and loop clip recording on the force. I got a crossfader on the force and macroknobs plus eight busses, MIDI + CV clips…
I mean, what features are we talking about here? Or just talking about the general UI?
FWIW I don’t really love my force ATM… It still needs to mature… but not seeing whats so much better wrt the 707 either. Or is it just cause the 707 is more like an elektron box when it comes to UI? 
I think feature-wise we can all agree the Force is superior, except for the included sound bank. And I think we can all agree there’s more than features to an instrument.
I’ll receive a 707 soon and I’ll judge it on its capability to be a good improvisation/jam box, just like the TR-8S is. I have no Force but I had a MPC Live and pads were basically useless for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
yes, fair enough. Was just curious is all, haven’t reseached the 707 in depth.
And indeed, music instruments are a lot more than just the feature list. Its all subjective.
Knowing how you prefer the TR8S over an analog rytm, I’m pretty sure you will like the 707.
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For me, the appeal is the layout.
16 step buttons with 16 pads, and then the 8 rows of fader + 3 knobs… this is basically what I had wished the Push 2 would have been.
Not necessarily more Elektron-ish, just more logical for my workflow and what I want in hardware (immediacy but also a high level of customization)
Where as the Force takes on the things I do not like about the Push 2 layout (the 64 pad grid, no faders except for the 1 cross fader, all encoders, no pots)
And I don’t think it is off topic to compare the two. It’s just not good form to drive by the thread and hype one thing at the expense of another without any real context. Let’s actually discuss it!
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ugh. i wish Roland give us full-fledged MIDI implementation.
since i will use Launchpad Pro with 707 anyway.
currently just for drum/note input, but could control a lot of things once appropriate MIDI messages are recognized.
Be vocal to them and ask for it. Employ others to do so as well.
They added full Implementation to the early boutiques as it was so heavily demanded. And then all subsequent boutiques had it from the get-go.
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as soon as the nearest payday comes and i’ll buy 707
First impressions: feels more solidly built than I remember the TR-8s feeling, heavier, but that could be a spotty memory; top surface, faders, knobs, pads all feel great, and only the play button is left behind as a grim reminder of the awful plastic buttons on the TR-8s; demos are mostly super corny, but do a good job of showing off scenes, multi-fx, scatter; DJ FX Looper sounds just as good as the SP-404, which means it’s time to let my 404 go; haven’t heard much of the filters yet but haven’t been super impressed; the reverbs have been great so far; the scatter function has been enhanced and works a lot more like the Octatrack’s scenes, now, so I’m really looking forward to playing with scatter; screen looks good enough; synths sound good.
This thing feels like a Novation Circuit that has been smartly updated with more tracks and tons of performance-friendly features. While I like the Deluge, this has faders, dedicated knobs, dedicated master effects controls, a screen to make sense of scenes and sound editing, and that amazing scatter. I’m excited to dig in further!
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Hello!..english is not my first language so I can’t clarify myself…can you confirm that you have to stop the machine for change to another project?
And can you confirm that you can make a 128 step sequence? …because I read that the maximum for a clip is 64 step…
Thank you!!
Julian
128 step is the max sequence you can make.
Yes, it takes time loading a project so you can’t switch project while it is playing.
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Ok! Thank you for answer!,
Enjoy your new machine!!
Julian
It’s a pity that you can’t slice samples. Or at least change the start point of sample copies. Loops are cool, sliced loops even more so. Maybe they add it in an update
Stupid question. But because of the huge amount of FX included is it possible to use the limited synth engine to make huge pad sounds and vintage analogue. The demos dont go into this and the stock presets sound meh. But just wondering if you can with a bit of witchery?
In what way is it limited? I thought it was the same synth engine as in their new keytar which is pretty extensive and sounds pretty nice.
looks rather deep to me
I’m just going on the online demos. The sounds are very cheesy. But maybe im missing something. Yes you can do a lot in the chain but the stock presets demoed have left me wondering.
There’s many many vintage sounding patches in it, for sure…