Thanks, good detective work 
Iāll have another play
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Digging into the 4d this week. Itās surprisingly good. Better imo than the last couple of modern Roland boxes Iāve had. Yeah the pattern and tone saving is a bit cumbersome but not too bad. And itās battery powered!
The only thing that bugs me is you canāt motion control any of the drum tones. I was hoping for at least filter and amp there. Also no lfoās on the drums. But beyond that thereās a lot to explore here and it looks/feels really nice.
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Iāve used Scan a few times for pro audio and computer stuff and itās always been excellent, super quick delivery, all good stuff. Wouldnāt let the PC shop facade put you off if in the UK.
More on topic - I would prefer this was a sound module rather than a (not) groovebox, would be great to use a handful of DT midi tracks for the multitimbral parts and it has USB audio! 
The current size and all those buttons/not encoders arenāt ideal for me due to space but looks like Roland have got some better ideas going on there recently.
And yeah on topic of Juno-60 chorus raised earlier - that thing is pretty unmodellable so farā¦
Would love to know if there is a good one, maybe TAL comes closest?
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In Roland speak the M in MFX stands for multi not master.
The schematic on page 5 in the manual shows the audio routing fairly clearly.
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Ah! Multi rings a bell! Reading the menu header now I can clearly see:
Shift+MFX = PATTERN MFX
Shift+TONE = TONE MFX
Shift+6/TONE = TONE (when on Part 1-4)
Shift+6/TONE = RHYTHM KIT EDIT (when on Part 5)
So what it should say in the menu for RHYTHM KIT EDIT menu, for clarity, is DRY/ TONE MFX.
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Re USB audio: Am I correct in concluding the 4D isnāt class compliant? Doesnāt seem to be claimed anywhere that it is compliant, and manual is clear you need drivers for a Mac. (There are also Windows drivers at the Roland site.)
If the SH-4D isnāt class compliant, does that rule out sending USB audio from the 4D to an MPC, Tascam 12-16-24 mixer/recorder, or other non-computer?
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Yes, not class compliant.
If the device cannot install Max or Windows drivers then I would assume it canāt be used via USB
Thanks. Thatās what I figured.
I wonder what the internal justification is for it not being class-compliant, when for example the SP-404 MKII is.
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I just did a little test, and note releases arenāt cut off when changing pattern, but FX tails just stop dead. Reverb sends are totally cut off!! This is not good Roland.
Edit: This seems to only apply to the send FX. The TONE MFX delay taps, for example, continue to play after the pattern changes. Strange that no issue with TONE MFX but send FX are totally cut off.
also if you make a pattern with just rhythm track and no send fx at all, and copy the same pattern to a second pattern slot, then there is an audible glitch when you switch between the two patterns
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So happy there is no neon green on this thing
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I miss my System 8ā¦green is good!
The send FX are pattern based, so every pattern can have a different setting for the send FX.
I suppose to avoid cut off you would need to ensure that the send FX parameters are the same in each pattern.
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I havenāt noticed this yet but Iāve been copying patterns with the same send effects so maybe thatās the key like noted above.
I have run into some issues with copying a pattern to another slot and it not getting the send amounts right for some reason. Doesnāt always do this however, so maybe some leftover baggage from the previous pattern data.
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Iād love to own a system 8 despite the green
Thanks that does make sense. could be user error in this case.
Not class compliant. Requires Roland driver. I installed the driver for Mac OS (Apple Silicon) and it works with pretty low latency.
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someone will ask if its class compliant roughly every 5 responses.
once itās gone off the top of the screen it might as well vanish for ever.
similar to the endless questions on digitakt 1.5 , if the slice positions can be editedā¦
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But are the slice positions in 1.50 class compliant?
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