That is also brilliant, kinda like what can be done on the Rytm.
I’ve been reading up hard on the MPC Live, Blackbox and MC-707 but these new revelations make Pioneer the frontrunner for me.
That is also brilliant, kinda like what can be done on the Rytm.
I’ve been reading up hard on the MPC Live, Blackbox and MC-707 but these new revelations make Pioneer the frontrunner for me.
Yeah, I actually think it’s a very defined instrument. It’s very clear on what it wants to be, which is why we’ll probably never see conditional triggers on it, but maybe streaming (if a USB stick can handle the transfer speed) and maaaybe polyrythms.
It’s interesting when it touches on the more complex stuff, such as p-locks and multiple midi CC’s. You can tell it’s a bit lost in those areas, but still do it well enough to get away with it. It’s like the Pioneer culture don’t fully understand the electronic music community more common in these parts, but they have key people who do - which is enough to make something that’s relevant enough. It’s not in their DNA quite yet, but that doesn’t mean they’re not clear on what they’re set out to do here.
The Shift+Track looper thing is pretty cool too, a very quick and direct way of sampling, it gets some things very right I think, another is the way you can jump to any sequencer page for editing and the very good copy functions.
I’ve been on the Blackbox since launch but left it a few weeks ago. That is a brilliant box, but the one thing that eventually led me away from it, its limited abilities to build longer sets with coherence, made me give it up. The Toraiz records and samples like the Blackbox, but with a sharp limit on how long a sample can be, but I’m learning I’d rather take their limit and work out longer sets, than the other way around.
The Live was way too complex for me, and I never much liked its onboard fx, including the AIR ones. It was too much of a “This sounds all right considering everything else it can do”, and I just don’t buy that kind of compromise. And the MC-707 is just a high school usability assignment with a C- grade. Going somewhere, but it’s not happening this year either.
Just so I don’t have to go back through this mega-thread, what is the maximum sample time again? And is there a difference for mono vs stereo?
Don’t listen too much to me, man you know when I get fired up, I’ll talk myself and the crowd around me into almost anything
You had it long enough to know what it was about. I’m confident your decision to sell it was the right one for you.
I know it can handle samples around 64 seconds long or so.
I haven’t been able to sample into it, anything longer than 8 bars. But if those 8 bars are slooow, I guess you could come close to 64 seconds.
If there is a way to sample directly into it beyond 8 bars, I’ve yet to find it. But there might be. It has an on-board looper which runs unquantized, haven’t tried it yet but I assume anything you record there can be up to 64 seconds, no matter the bpm. I don’t think live looping triggers on step, though, so that’s really free form looping, pedal style.
Anyone else on the Toraiz for more than just a few days, please correct me if I’m wrong
Could longer samples be imported?
Nope, not longer than 64 seconds (if that’s the limit, which I believe it is).
Hmm ok. Basically (as an example) I’m looking to have two longer samples something like a Lyra, panned left and right that loop independently over the length of a song (say one at 5 bars and the other 7 bars)… or have separate looped notes of a chord progression (say 3/4/5 bars each sample) that continually evolves.
You’re the text version of Loopop
I wonder if you reduce the tempo to half or quarter bpm (128 to 64 or 32) when sampling if you could get near the maximum sample length.
Interesting case. Let me sample a few loops from my Prophet 12 tonight with this in mind, and see if I can get this to work. I’ll get back to you tomorrow.
I finally managed to read this article about Florian Meindl’s live setup, that I had in my tabs for quite some time and can’t get the SP-16 out of my head since…well, then comes this thread around^^
The SP-16 has gotten some serious updates it seems, what about encoder acceleration or smt like holding function + turn encoder we have on our Elektrons?
Does the SP-16 have anything like this?
how is the mpc like Ableton?
And tomorrow was today, apparently @DonovanDwyer
So this works.
I sampled a one bar loop and a three bar loop from me Prophet.
I set pattern one to trigger both loops on bar one, step one. I set them to time stretch and loop.
I made another pattern, just a one bar sixteen step thing. The drum beat kept going in that pattern, but both synth loops had no triggers. They kept going anyway, and since one was a 1 bar and one was a 3 bar, they ran in parallell on the beat, but still independently of each other. Very funky.
However - I made another pretty cool discovery as I tried this. Since the samples were looping to the BPM, and had no triggers on the current pattern, I re-triggered them from the pads. Since live trigs can be quantized, not only could I reset them independently of each other, they were always in sync when I did. It wasn’t necessary, but if you wanted to add some live vibe to this say on stage, that’s a really nice option to go even deeper with this approach.
So not only does it seem like one can do what you asked, but it also opens up interesting opportunities live when you them in an empty track like this.
For me anyway. I bring in samples and loops, chop them up, use vsts to write bass, keys etc. I apply fx and have loops that I can trigger and jam with. I apply automation etc
My process using the mpc for production and performing was similar in what I made and how I sounded using ableton and my drum pad controller
For example using the digitakt gave me a different feel and sound to how I was using ableton
Therefore I saw the mpc live as an excellent replacement for ableton but for me didn’t really give me anything different. It is pretty much a daw in a hardware box which is excellent if thats what you need
and ableton gives me a lot more
ahh understand better now, yeah Ableton is the goat