Pioneer Toraiz SP-16

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#646

You are THE MAN. That cinched it, will be picking one up very soon.

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#647

No worries mate, happy to help :slight_smile:

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#648

Have you tried or can I connect to I pad pro with the korg apps and appegiator to play in a sample on the SP16

There is no midi cable from the I pad unless perhaps they make one I’m not sure. Can you only bring in samples from midi keyboards and synths etc. Interested in what u can connect too.

Also could it be connected to pc to use the vst and play them in for a sample

#649

I read you guys discussing this this morning and made up my mind to get one, so went onto Ebay Kleinanzeigen and found one at a great price in my neighbourhood, contacted the guy, agreed to pick it up this afternoon
and then Ebay deleted his posts and send me a msg warning me of it being a scam
interesting.

I saw this as a sign that I should give my existing equipment another chance and make more of an effort to make it work for me (the SP16 would have replaced an MPC 1000 / MPC Live). :slightly_smiling_face:

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#650

I got one on the way. Will report back.

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#651

One of these is going back to Sweetwater, but


I have a DJS and SP-16 side-by-side.

They both essentially do the same thing. Duh. But there are some ergonomic difference besides what’s obvious.

What I like about the DJS

  • Ergonomics. It’s just laid out right for how I want my hands to be. Cue/Start on the left hand, scroll/browse on the right
  • Long hold on slice and scale takes you to the deeper page on the DJS
  • DJS sounds fuller / bigger (rendered tracks sound the same)
  • The STOP/GATE button doesn’t trigger the count-in. The SP, is either / or on the count-in.

What I like about the SP-16

  • Midi USB out
  • USB Mass Storage
  • Multiple Outs
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#652

Is the fuller sound a wider stereo image or console punch when you drive thé levels ?

#653

Yeah @djadonis206 I’d be interested to hear about this fuller sound experience as well. The sound is one of the main reasons I’ll most likely keep the Toraiz so if they got a similar product that’s even better, that’d be cool to know. But the DJS only has one effect slot, right? And the sequencer’s not as featured? In this case, it counts, since the Toraiz SP-16 sequencer can’t do all that much :slight_smile:

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#654

Found another neat little trick. If you play your loops on beat but without time stretch, and then switch to Arranger mode, you can set individual pattern bpm without affecting the loops. You get into very experimental territory quickly with this approach. For drums, it probably isn’t useful most of the time. For for textured loops with some elements of percussion, it’s pretty cool to have them in sync at first, then switch your track to another vibe but keep the textured material still running on its original tempo, as a way to tie it all together. Reminds me to some extent of the song mode in Blackbox, where clips could run independently across song mode groups, which created a very nice mix of short and long movements mixed seamlessly.

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#655

I noticed the DJS is missing the Dave Smith filter and the Arranger. I’m using those a lot already, especially since you can save the DS filter settings per scene, so I won’t be looking at the DJS as an option. But the form factor is appealing, makes me think of the old SP samplers.

Which, come to think of it, I never liked much in practice :slight_smile:

#656

I guess by fuller, I think the DJS is meant to perform like a CDJ. It’s louder.

Rendered audio sounds the same out of both of them.

The DJS doesn’t have an arranger or the DS filter. The filter on the DJS is pretty cool though.

The SP-16 doesn’t do mutes per pattern

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#657

You’ll note the DJS doesn’t have an output knob

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#658

Thanks for clarifying @djadonis206 :slight_smile:

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#659

I think I found a bug on the sp. If you have multiple outs selected, you can’t preview samples in the sample browser?

#660

Is anyone in the London or Essex area that has SP16 wants to meet up to share ideas and tips as mine coming today

#661

How do the pads feel? (For the folks who prefer Maschine/Tempest/Kontrol over MPC/Rytm).

Lots of good recent info here. btw. :sunny:

#662

Maschine’s the best - but these feel better than Push 2. MPC is the best.

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#663

if they’re good enough for Spinscott they’re probably alright :wink:

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#664

You have to have a separate out through the headphones to preview samples when using the 8 outputs

#665

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