I kinda like them. They’re just small, probably not great for real finger drumming, but that’s gotta be a small market right? How many people out there are good enough to care about that?
It’s better than my Mpc 1000 pads. Actually I prefer it over my Mpc studio pads. My MPD232 pads feel slightly better, unless you are making programs with lots of laters and articulations I think the SP16 is expressive enough.
Do the tape trick on the 1000 pads and they should be better than most.I think i used 4 strips of electrical insulation tape.Very sensitive.Thats the later sensors tho.
Just to chime in on pad sensitivity - I studied finger drumming with David “Fingers” Haynes for a while (check him out on youtube if you don’t know him), and he actually turns sensitivity of his pads (MPC) down to a very low level, as well as the threshold. So in other words, light hits get registered (low threshold) but in order to get variation in dynamics, he has to hit the pads quite hard.
Reasoning behind this: it gives much more control over dynamics - takes some getting used to but at least for me, it was a super pro tip that made a big difference.
it seems like you can’t set different program change apart from scene. (where the Toraiz remember the value)
I can’t get program change automated (set it and forget it) on a pattern basis.
So in scene the SP16 remember the program change, but not in Pattern. I have to manually progress into from pattern 1 > 16 manually.
Every program change from 0 to 15 (bank 1) from 16 to 31 (bank 2) and so on.
Unfortunately the Toraiz remember only the switch from bank 1 to bank 2
(result as I would like to use it)
The program change is not p-lockable on the sequencer.
All change from the Toraiz SP16 in scene 1: pattern 1 to scene1: Pattern 2 will not be reflected on the Elektron. But it works from scene1 : Pattern1 to scene2: Pattern 1
I hope it’s well explained and someone get through this and may give a trick
You’re right. All patterns in a scene use the same kit (so 16-tracks of samples and midi tracks). So the midi track can only have the same Prgm Ch for each of the 16 patterns.
You can only have a different Prgm Ch sent when changing scenes.
I found that so maybe the other way around will works. I mean controlling the scene/pattern change in accordance with the Digitone as the Master and midi control for program change the SP16
SP16 MIDI implementation Chart
SP-16 can recognize by the MIDI messages from an external device.
NOTE Trigger sample in each track. Samples can be triggered at any MIDI channel.
CC (Control Change) Receives MIDI CC from an external device to control this unit.
Switching between SCENE and PATTERN: Just as the operation of the unit, switching to SCENE is fixed after receiving PATTERN. And switching between SCENE and PATTERN is disabled when the SAMPLING/EDIT screen is displayed. Other MIDI messages are ignored when switching between SCENE and PATTERN.
Yo. I’ve been lurking like a harmless creep with an sp-16 in his pocket on this thread for a while now but thought I would finally say hello etc.
Question for @William_WiLD I’m fairly certain you can make the sp16 trigger the appropriate program changes on the other device. all of @x0x’s statements have been correct but i feel like there’s something lost in translation here between the language used when talking about the elektron and the language used when talking about the sp-16 and how both deal with Program Changes. (or at least i am missing something in translation).
I don’t own an elektron (yet) but i thought (just read 2 minutes ago) program changes were made via Midi Notes.
Can you give me a brief example of two sets of program changes you would want to occur? eg. SP-16 S1P4 => SP16 S2P5 -> ELEKTRON AAA => SP16 S9P12 -> BBB …
Program changes are done with standard midi program change messages, nothing special here, you can also specify on which channel the device sends / listens to those on all the elektrons I think
This has probably been asked somewhere or perhaps exists in the manual, but my forum and manual scanning eyes are not presenting an answer to me.
I’m wondering if the SP-16 will play/read from a USB pen drive thingy if I have one inserted? I’m wondering, if I chuck in it (64gb), I’ll have a relatively permanently expanded machine.
I don’t have one, but I’ve looked into it and yes you can load and store things on an inserted USB pen drive. There’d be no reason you couldn’t keep it inserted for an expanded sound library.
It will write and store to the USB drive, but it’s important to note that it won’t stream directly off of it (like some other devices can)… so any sounds you’re using have to first be loaded into RAM.
I took the plunge and ordered a Toraiz SP-16 from Amazon last night. Should be here tomorrow. I’m in a good position and have some funds to purchase something along with a good bit of points on Amazon to use.
I’ve spent a lot of time reading this thread and watched a bunch of YouTube videos, so thank you to everyone who’s given thoughts and insights. I think I have a pretty clear understanding of any cons and limitations. It’s actually many of those things that’s driving my interest in the machine. I have an MPC One already which I do enjoy, but I’m wanting something a little quicker and more focused, especially for drums and getting ideas going. Also have a Digitakt, but I’m still on the hunt for ‘that’ machine. Maybe this is it? Or maybe it isn’t… time will tell.
Obviously I’d like to see a v1.7 release with some of the features/ideas proposed, particularly deleting samples from the machine and some additional FX like ping pong delay, but I’m not holding my breath and have the expectation that it’ll likely not happen (seems unrealistic at this point). Would be so nice to have recording for the external midi input on the sequencer too, but yes, I’m fully aware “it’s not an MPC” so I’m going to use it for what it is and what I’m hoping it’ll be. If it does get another update that’s just a bonus.
I’m really just going to pair it with my Pro-3, Avalon or one of the other monosynths and see how that works out. I want to keep the setup simple… get an idea mostly there, then record all of the bits into the DAW for final processing and arranging. That’s the goal anyway.
