Richard has said a few places that the VRL2 will be a much bigger (180HP) instrument with a controller
Ah, thanks for that information - sounds even more exciting!
Could potentially be fixed in an update, but I doubt it would be.
Malekko Manther (stand-alone groovebox version) has a wavefolder and patch memory
Danngg I didnāt realize thatā¦but yep, there it is, TRI FOLD (also assignable to other VCO waveforms, which is sweet)
Thanks for that! So the question is: Manther or Taiga + Some sort of patch memory module like Polyend Preset or Voltage Block?
All wavefolders sound much different, I wouldnāt base a purchase off of it had oneā¦ some synthās pulse width can sound as wavefoldy as anythingā¦lol.
If you want a really great wavefolder, I would say the one on the taiga is of an incredible qualityā¦ Iām sure it will sound much more alive and interesting then the one on the manther will. Arturia synthās have them too btw.
For that price have you thought about a digitone? That may be the king of wavefolders.
It sounds lush, I loved my SV-1 (a) and refused to send it back for the fix (as it was an early unit that had weird soft-sync and apparently wobbly tracking). It sounded great, I only changed as I was FMing the oscās so much I went down the Complex Osc route. I would love one of theseā¦
I decided to put one of these on pre-order through Thomann which is currently listing them as a week out. That may be optimistic, but thereās no great rush.
Iāve sort of come to the conclusion that modular for me will make more sense if I use it to augment āinstrumentsā that have a logic to them as opposed to creating fully modular instruments. Taiga will be my first go at this concept. Iām going to use it in an Intellijel case Iāve been making poor use of with some modules Iāve already got on hand that will provide a lot of options for modulation, among other things. The only things I feel like Iām really missing from the case are more Logic related modules and some interesting effects.
If they ever offer a silver faceplate replacement, Iām all over it.
Itās not a wavefold knob type of implementation but you can do the same sort of wavefolding youād do on say, an SY77 with 0hz carriers using the Motas-6. The carrier oscillator/s can be set to an āinfrasonicā mode then phase modulated for those sorts of tones.
I think the Monologue does some sort of wavefolding too? Itās been a long time since I had one though.
Have you got a Motas? Not spoken with many who do
Yeah the wave folding on the Motas is cool but itās a shame the carrier doesnāt go to true 0hz, thereās always movement which makes the harmonics a little less clear which is a cool effect too but itād be nice to have the option.
The alternative is you go the other way and go ultrasonic which has more static sound but then has a slight grit to itās sound which again is cool but also would be cool to have the option to not haveā¦ the Motas is awesome with its wavefolding in that you can combine it with all its other features to get results you wouldnāt be able to get with any other synth that has wavefolding and yeah itās nice to be able to save patches.
Monologues wavefolding is very limited
I had a look at the Motas features and donāt see anything about wavefolding, but see thereās phase modulation of some oscillators and what they call vector morphing, which does sound very cool:
āThere are 5 instant-access patches available at any time (in RAM memory). In vector morphing mode dual external controllers allow the active patch to morph in 2-dimensions between the first 4 presets.ā
Thereās no wavefolding on the monologue (nor minilogue), they have waveshaping, but again thatās something different from wavefolding.
I donāt know of any fixed-architecture analogue synths (perhaps some Buchlas?) that have wavefolding.
The Norand Mono is analogue and has through-zero FM. I donāt know of other fixed architecture analogues with patch memory and TZFM.
The wavefolding on the Motas was something that I discovered that could be done by repurposing the PM circuit after reading about achieving wavefolding with 0hz carrier on the digitone, I spoke with Jon (the designer) about this and we came up with the ideas of making infrasonic and ultrasonic modes for the carrier oscillators a possibility through firmware instead of having to do it the hacky way Iād originally been doing it.
Itās not an advertised feature as it wasnāt intended to be there but it is wavefolding as youād find in other synthsā¦ wavefolding is just a type of waveshaping ultimately and what you get with the triangle wave on the monologue is a very limited folding.
Very cool. From listening to Motas demos it sounds really good.
Iām not sure this is entirely correct. Sure, wavefolding changes the shape, but it turns a wave in on itself, possibly many times, creating multiple waves from a single wave, whereas waveshapers typically reshape a single wave into another single wave.
In this vid from three minutes thereās an explanation of wavefolding with oscilloscope:
Majella Implexus has wavefolding for its ācomplex oscillatorā.
Another really good sounding and deeply flexible synth in production! But no patch saving for @RhythmDroid
Yeah, I think I posted in the thread on here when I bought it. Your videos etc. made it less of a leap of faith than it otherwise wouldāve been!
Mineās been a bit poorly recently unfortunately, kind of tossing up what to do about that at the moment but weāre going a bit OT here I guess
Oh damn, whatās up with it?
And oh yeah, I thought that mightve been the case as your name was familiar