Believe you me this is way better than i can dance.
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I could watch the first two minutes of this on loop all day.
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Your license to make dance music has been revoked
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For me this is more about āclevernessā over musicality. I hate it when Iām listening to something and what happens next is because the creator has thought really hard about how to show me how clever they are.
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Ichi ni san shi
Trent Reznor seems to have been well loved for subverting expectations, heās just much better at being clever.
Been reparsing his works with fresh eyes after watching a bunch of https://youtube.com/c/iximusic breakdowns.
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Subverting expectations and being clever are great when they serve the purpose of the music. Doing it because what you have is cleverness, and when it harms the musicā¦that is what I donāt like
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Oh, I get it! And I can picture in my mindās eye how to do it wrong, but do you have any notable examples of that beyond likeā¦ prog rock? 
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Examples of this? I mean to me this sounds completely subjective, especially if you enjoy some people being clever and some not.
Like is prog rock too clever for itās own good? Jazz? Or just the myriad IDM producers who donāt necessarily have a single musical bone in their body but are extremely adept at disassembling beats to atoms and assembling them into new, clever forms.
Definitely subjective. Itās like porn, I know it when I hear it. Iāll try and find some examples when Iām not at work
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I have a lot of friends involved in the punk scene who think anything not in 4/4 time is pretentious shit.
I have a lot of friends who play in jazz bands, I grew up listening to jazz, and even there you can spot this kind of thingā¦
I bet jazz people are very adept at spotting this. Iām not sure if I am, but for example ELP is too much for me but I adore King Crimson. I love free jazz and modal jazz but fusion is too much for me.
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And maybe it is purely a personal nit, because I bet purely cerebral music is popular with some people, where the main aim is to be cleverā¦I dunno. Now Iām not sureā¦
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as long as that is all the track consist of then their cool, but as soon as anyone adds anything else to them itās a definite meh
I like the kind of clever stuff in music where you donāt necessarily even notice it at first, but then at some point kinda realise that itās not all what it seemed to be. 6/4 or 6/8 time that grooves like 4/4, for example. Or an odd time signature that only reveals itself by an expert change to another time signature. King Crimson does this very well, and oddly a noise rock band called Unsane mixes all sorts of time signatures together while keeping a headbanging groove.
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Absolutely subjective, but sometimes itās more interesting to hear informed critiques.
can we just leave the church choirs at church please, I mean I love you sting or whomever the heck you might be, but I didnāt run away from Sunday school just so I could hear the everywhere tabernacle choir +god back you up on your groovy croonin
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This! When you donāt really notice the cleverness, itās doing its job perfectly. I find Radiohead do this very well. Everything in Its Right Place and Pyramid Song are great examples. Both non-4/4 but not obviously.
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Please exclude Jeff Mills from this:
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