Dude I get that you HATE Behringer but it really seems that your bias is affecting your ears, I’ve listened to every sound pack release from Geosynths for the Deepmind and it’s a beautiful sounding synth regardless of how you feel about the company.
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no, it’s not. it’s worse than the Analog 4 / keys… & that’s saying something.
And I don’t ‘hate’ Behringer - they’re just an equipment manufacturer. Just not a very good one, with very questionable ethical practices.
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But it is, though. You’ve sidelined and de-emphasised ethical arguments over Behringer’s behaviour in order to create more space for good-natured conversations about their products. I can entirely understand why you might want to do that, even though I disagree strongly with it, but to do that and then deny that’s what you’re doing isn’t really credible.
And as I’ve said before, if the level of anger and frustration in this thread was being created by less self-evidently problematic issues (disagreements over quality control, circuit designs, even employment practices) then I’d have a great deal more sympathy for your position. I appreciate the work that goes into moderating communities like this, and having to deal with ongoing toxicity must be extraordinarily draining.
But, at the risk of sounding like a broken record: Behringer have engaged in a targeted harassment campaign aimed at bullying, humiliating and delegitimising a journalist they don’t like, using deeply racist imagery, for which they’ve failed to apologise properly (or at all, assuming that half-hearted statement is still deleted).
I just find it bizarre that something so unequivocally toxic can be shunted to one side: that the community here will look at a company that peddles racist tropes (even if inadvertently) and tries to harass its critics into silence, and decide that the more important thing to discuss is a firmware update.
I guess that’s grounded in my belief that the political and ethical questions behind all of this stuff are inseparable, that you can’t in good faith go “oh well, I guess that stuff sucks, but let’s just focus on something else”. I just fundamentally believe that that’s a really shortsighted and ultimately quite damaging way to think about the world.
But yeah, like I say, this is your place. You do what you want.
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oh boy
OH MAN 
I’d bought a K2 when it was first released and since the KIRN saga unfolded I haven’t been able to look at the thing without my skin crawling. So I sold it. Sure I still gave my money to them but at least I don’t have to look at it every time I feel inspired to make music.
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I don’t have any such symptoms. My Deepmind still sounds epic as does my RD-8.
It’s not about the sound.
The most of us can’t tell the difference between analog and digital just by listening.
It’s about taking responsibility in ethical and political manner.
Now, more than ever!
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you are taking this way too seriously… it’s just synths man. My suggestion is to chill and enjoy all the gear options we have these days. I know I do.
Nope, you don’t.
yeah “chill and enjoy” your stupid cheap gear!
Why not? I can’t afford expensive gear so I enjoy what I can get - and these days I have lots of awesome options thanks to Behringer.
If you can afford boutique stuff, good for you, but you are not in a position to criticize others.
I really can’t hear this stupid “I can’t afford” argument anymore.
Let’s leave it there.
If you don’t have any arguments, you can just refrain from posting. No need to post then.
oh I have enough arguments to discredit your selfish, unreflected cheap-buyer-mentality. I just don’t wanna waste my time on this kind of stupidity.
btw. I am a free person. I can post whatever, whenever and however I want!
so gfy!
Not sure what’s making you so tense but you got that right. I am selfish when it comes to my money and I rather buy cheap than expensive stuff if quality is on same level. I’m definetily stupid like that, if that’s how you define stupidity.
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None of Behringer’s cloning has bothered me yet, but Maths is a step too far in my opinion. I don’t even own a Make Noise module, but they are far from the Rolands and Korgs of the world. Just last night i met a Euro manufacturer from a who had to pivot to standalone/pedals because it was so hard to make a buck in that saturated euro environment, and he was the sole designer/builder/seller/marketer of the business. Behringer cloning could really hurt these small companies - and it wouldn’t even add much to their bottom line. That said, i have zero problem with Behringer getting into eurorack - just don’t copy other euro companies, or at least put your own spin on classic modules rather than outright cloning them.
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I’ve been saying it for years- behringer is coming for the “indies” too.
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Don’t forget the blatant copy jobs of Keystep and Quad VCA…
Screw them.