Oh there is no way I am starting another Behringer thread to ask this question! 
It is a valid question too, I suspect not many have changed their mind though.
Personally I’m not too entrenched in this particular subject, but like a moth to a flame I sometimes am drawn in 
Imma flag this due to inappropriate to outrage culture.
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honest answer - i´m like a trained monkey: when i hear behringer i say no. bananas are OK though 
My opinion on them soured when they went from Deepmind, Neutron and Boog to nothing but clones that all lack midi CC, patch storage, etc. I dont think theyre evil, just REALLY overhyped and kind of lazy.
More neutrons and deepminds please. Those synths showed some original ideas.
Also not a fan of them cloning the mother32. Really hope they dont go down the path of copying modern synths by smaller companies.
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I don’t understand this expectation that an old fashion analog synth that was designed without patch storage should or could somehow acquire it, it would either be different in sound due to digital compromises and therefor nothing that wasn’t already available or hugely expensive and probably still not the same if motorised controls were used, either way it wouldn’t have sold.
I change my mind with each reply.
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patching the Overdrive after the OSC and before the Filters makes it extremely powerful 
…at least everything sounds awesome through 24db classic ladder filters and therefore you can’t compare em with the neutron Filters
peace 
I’ve not, for reasons I’ve given elsewhere. I’ve always known they use other companies ideas/concepts/designs etc. I can remember back when I started out on the electronic side someone describing B as “The company that builds the rip off Mackie 8 bus”. Didn’t care then and I don’t now. I lusted after some of those classic synths, saved my money, bought a few of them, repaired and restored them and now I play them. I only stopped because the price of project synths that needed plenty of work got stupid. But a mini Moog? TR808/909? Those were instruments that were forever going to be out of my grasp. I can’t speak for others but I can’t afford to weigh several thousand pounds on a dog rough vintage example that’s gonna need work and is never gonna be a museum piece when all said and done. I’ve got too many other overheads to consider. My modest stable of classics is my pension when the time comes to sell them. Yeah, I collect and I get that prices are high for collectible stuff and generally they’re only going up. Would I sell a couple of pieces to fund a big buy? For me no as I’d see it as losing rather than gaining but that’s just me.
More importantly for me is using them, the tactile feel, actually treating them as instruments and embracing their shortcomings. I hate soft synths for this reason… no matter how good they sound the act of using a soft synth just leaves me cold so it’s hardware all the way for me. Cheap clones of classic instruments? Yeah, bring it on. B and the discussions about their ‘ethics’ or otherwise? I’ll keep buying their gear as long as I think it sounds good and I like to use it. For donkeys years people were crying out for the big companies to re release analogue gear but they held out, not because their digital products were better per se but because theyre a lot cheaper to engineer and build. So in my eyes they had their chance and blew it. B saw a massive hole in the market and plugged it. Like they’ve always done with their cheap studio gear. Yeah a lot of it was crap but back then it was the only option sometimes. It got a lot of people recording and making music who just wouldn’t have had that opportunity, me included.
Yeah I’ll burn in hell but if it’s any consolation I’ll be taking my B favourites with me.
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Behringer maschinedrum?
or do I go a step too far now 
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Lmao! I’d say too far. Disrespectful at least.
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Not going to happen. You can’t clone digital stuff like you can clone analogue circuitry, both in a practical as well as a legal sense.
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Elektron can’t even clone a Machinedrum how do you expect Behringer to be able?
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This is an interesting question. Seems Behringer are cloning products that most companies are calling Legacy pieces. They don’t seem to e innovators, just rehashing machines people have been asking these companies to release for years. Would be great if there were a company that went through the “what should Elektron do next” thread and started cloning those ideas. Not sure they are an ideas company.
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They won’t have the ecosystem but it wouldn’t suprise me if they cloned the hardware layout, like they did for the launchpad for instance.
I don’t see them cloning a machine drum.
They’ve struggled to do a basic sequencer on the rd8, if they tried a complicated sequencer I’d wait for many firmware updates before going near it.
I would guess the Machinedrum is not ‘low hanging fruit’ enough for mass production.
If they did try it though, good luck to em.
At the moment they seem to be all about analog, but once the saturation point hits and the flood suffocates sales, anything might be possible.
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Yeah I think Elektron stuff is too specialised to clone really. I’m sick of Behringer now though, some of the stuff they’re cloning just doesn’t even seem worth it compared to making something original imo. Like, why do they have to have 20 slightly different one or two oscillator monosynth clones?
What are the issues with it?
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I have made a full 180 on my Behringer position. I was vehemently anti-Behringer. Now I love what they are doing and the ‘service’ they are providing. With that said, names like ‘UB-Xa’ are so silly that it’s hard to take them seriously… I don’t mind CLONES, but sometimes they feel more like ‘knockoffs’… and that just does not feel very inspiring. Still, They are officially on my radar now. Especially the CAT!
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I’m surprised they haven’t hopped on the FM wave or wavetables for that matter.