Yeah but there definitely is grey area about what constitutes doing enough to a sample for a sample pack and straight up stealing a song… layering, a pitch envelope, filter with envelope imo is probably enough to change a drum samples footprint but just saturation, overdrive, or a fixed filter is probably not unless it is very extreme. Obviously sampling a classic drum synth is different.
I think there is an element of intent of the product like a sample pack vs a synth that uses samples as core elements. I think probably the best rule is if it makes you feel weird you shouldn’t do it.
Yeah probably the only thing to watch out for is if one of those presets is essentially just playing back a sample with no alterations, then it starts to fall deeper into the grey area.
actually, imagine a scenario where a person does not want to buy a M:C and just wants to get some sounds from it, so even sampling factory presets is some kind of work that someone else would like to avoid and pay someone else to do it for them.
another example having 808/909 “pure” samples without buying any Rolands…
sure you can get them processed, but what if you are looking for the “pure” sounds?
sampling synth presets is still some work…
I do understand how annoying it must be for the creator to see his samples being sold as someone else’s work but I also think it’s just one of those things that should be accepted as just the way things are. As I’ve already said copyright law is being used as a weapon against free speech and millions of films and documentaries have been pulled from youtube for minor infractions such as ‘somebody used a some film of some seagulls that I took and I own the copyright’, it really is nonsense. There are films which I funded through the paying of the BBC license fee which I should have every right to watch, lots of comedy shows from the 70’s, I paid for them but now if I wanted to watch them again I have to pay to watch them again. Copyright law creates more misery than it prevents for the most part.
That when I decided to do this one and the one about the Minilogue XD for MPCs, Ableton etc.
I thought I would like to try the sound of some synths and buying a cheap pack for many machine would be the way. I did record the machine and put it out for cheap AND I released free samples.
I didnt do it for free because that took me a lot of time and I wanted some incentive to release more products.
At the end : ITS THE PRODUCT THAT 100% ORIGINAL THAT I MOSTLY SELL. (digitone preset packs mostly)
What I thought was : ffs there are so many packs of 808 and 909 out there and presets are not copyrighted. Let’s put it out and see, if I got negative feedback I will take the L and just focus on something else (which I did without the negative backlash)
Some people told me I was lazy, some other were loving the initiative. Most didnt care.
I had others projects of putting out other synths samples from factory presets as instruments for MPCs, Ableton, SFZ and Deluge but it’s not worth it tbf. So I may never release them even if I already recorded them.
Very honest of you to say that here. I wonder if the guy who sold your samples thought something similar before he did it. And now he put it down. So maybe it’s time to forgive him.? Idk. Just an idea. Yes, he did it in a shady way. Asked if you want to work with him and then sold your stuff behind your back. But he probably made not a lot of money with it and hopefully learned his lesson.
imo there’s no prohibition from Elektron to sell the sampled presets, so if someone samples his synth it should be ok and people can pay the person for sampling the synth…
How chould it be ok to profit from something somebody else has created, without asking them, and without sharing the profit?
If you give it away for free, or maybe just get compensation for your actual cost distributing that is another thing. Still not legal in most jurisdictions.
I don’t know of any jurisdiction where the owner of the copyright forfeits that copyright when they fail to make their works available to the public. That is not how copyright works.
Yes that’s what I thought. But his sketchiness is still weird and I have many doubts about many of his others products.
At the end, he sent ONE message about it and will not tell me how many sales he did (the fact that he sold it for 9euros when I sold it for 5euros is quite piss taking in some ways, because he might have sold a dozen of it, who knows).
AND he might have used most of the one I did myself…
He is being dodgy. I would have taken that more lightly if his apology was a bit more human. But this message of him bummed me a bit.
Yes, i know. He definitely was wrong and should be ashamed for it. But what else is there to achieve? Should he pay a penalty? Maybe. But he already proved that he does stuff which isn’t cool. And over here he’s known as the bad guy now.
I wonder if we’ll get another response from him here.
The concept is to be paid for the effort being put in.
What is if was a private venture? Someone said, “hey, you’ve got a MDUW+, I really liked those sounds from the free pack demos. Could I pay you to make wav files for me?”
I dont think he will add anything, he apologised and took off the thing from his website because RMR mailed him, firmly saying that he would raise hell if his videos were associated to a stolen product.
If he was a good person he would have mailed me DIRECTLY, not RMR or this forum. And would have had provided explanations… but rather than that he had me blocked on Facebook/Messenger before the release of the product.
So he is not a good guy in my book and he is unable tio redeem himself at least with written words. I was a lot more careless about it before his message here…
